We use the tape, not the clear coat. Plastic razor blades make quick work of all those little bits.
We use the tape, not the clear coat. Plastic razor blades make quick work of all those little bits.
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I do love this forum Scott! I have never heard of plastic razor blades before. Cool! Will grab some and play with them. Thanks!! As always!! <grin>
Dave
900x600 80watt EFR Tube laser from Liaocheng Ray Fine Tech LTD. Also a 900x600 2.5kw spindle CNC from Ray Fine. And my main tool, a well used and loved Jet 1642 Woodlathe with an outboard toolrest that helps me work from 36 inch diameters down to reallllllly tiny stuff.
Perhaps you could apply a high-tack tape over the top when done, and then peel it back to lift off all the little bits of the tape left over from engraving. Sort of like body waxing...
Not to sound insensitive, but I wouldn't do anything except mask, engrave, and peel. You'll spend more time (and money) prepping for an easy peel that just peeling would take.
Peeling masking of laser engraved items comes with the job. Like Steve says, plastic razor blades work well...
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When the job requires it, you do what you have to. Clear coat and transfer tape have their pros and cons. Transfer tape would be lower on my list because it would take 2x long to engrave.
My real suggestion is to be smarter with your material choice. Black acrylic for example may cost $5 more but would take less time to produce with essentially no cleanup after. There are benefits to higher material costs when it drops labor costs, even on fun freebies.
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Real name Steve but that name was taken on the forum. Used Middle name. Call me Steve or Scott, doesn't matter.
Equipment: IS400, IS6000, VLS 6.60, LS100, HP4550, Ricoh GX e3300n, Hotronix STX20
Software: Adobe Suite & Gravostyle 5
Business: Trophy, Awards and Engraving
Lasers : Trotec Speedy 300 75W, Trotec Speedy 300 80W, Galvo Fiber Laser 20W
Printers : Mimaki UJF-6042 UV Flatbed Printer , HP Designjet L26500 61" Wide Format Latex Printer, Summa S140-T 48" Vinyl Plotter
Router : ShopBot 48" x 96" CNC Router Rotary Engravers : (2) Xenetech XOT 16 x 25 Rotary Engravers
Real name Steve but that name was taken on the forum. Used Middle name. Call me Steve or Scott, doesn't matter.
I have a HF only a couple miles from the house. I will stop by on the way home and get a roll or two. And I will report any difference between it and what I have been using from Home Depot.
For transfer tape, which of these products?
www.nglantz.com/storefrontCommerce/breadcrumbSearch.do?breadcrumb_path=Product+Catego ries%2f%2f%2f%2fPaper%2c+Masking+and+Sandblast%2f% 2f%2f%2fMasking&elementsPerPage=50&displayThumbnai l=true&numResults=50&sort_type=ASC&sort_column=
I didnt want to use mineral spirits as it leaves an odd odor in wood thats hard to get out without coating with something. And as these are going in the hands of young adults and kids, I didn't want any chemicals or paints on them. Thats why I chose to try the tape route and only considered DNA as a solvent as it leaves no chemical residue to be concerned with.
Plastic razor blades Oy! Ok, thats a new one. These? http://www.autozone.com/autozone/acc...ntifier=102953
Cringe...body waxing. Being a guy, just the thought of that hurts! Anyway, this? http://www.uline.com/BL_6059/3M-3743-High-Tack-Tape
Think ULINE has a presence in Milwaukee. Don't know if they have a retail outlet here though. Have to call.
Barring that, what about a spray adhesive on a sheet of printer paper or butcher wrap? I can get all the printer scrap I want from work, we go through reams of paper a week here so ending up with some print discards is a free thing. For an adhesive, thinking something along the lines of...
http://www.homedepot.com/p/3M-Super-...ct_description
My thought was to spray the paper. Then stick the medallions to it and peel them off and hopefully leave the masking tape stuck to the paper.
That work you think?
You are not being insensitive and I appreciate the comment. I am new at this and this is the first time I have done any mass production work with the laser. Doing one off projects and peeling the tape off isn't a big deal. But sitting peeling off tape from 50 little engravings made me curious if I was doing the right thing in using tape at all or if there was a better tape to use. And if what I am using and the way I am doing it IS the best way, well, then I would like to know that too. I am trying to learn if there is a better and more efficient method of accomplishing the task at hand and I don't think you would deny thats a wise thing to do. Would you not wish to find a better or more economical (both in material and labor) method of completing a tedious task especially if you had to do it yourself or worse yet, were paying someone to do it if you were in business? I think you would. And thats what I am trying to do here. Learn a better way to do this, if indeed there is one. And in so doing, become more efficient at using my laser. And when someone else new comes along looking for a solution to their similar situation, perhaps they will find this thread useful to them as well and can learn from what has been presented here. And, I think that too is worth the effort in asking.
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Application tape like this :
https://www.fellers.com/fellers-shop...plication-tape
I didn't see it on Glantz's link you posted, but I'm sure they carry it. It's a low cost item, not an expensive paint mask type product. It's made for transferring cut vinyl lettering off the backing sheet onto whatever you're putting it on.
Plastic razor blades like this :
http://www.amazon.com/Plastic-Double.../dp/B004623NU2
If you never use either for wood, and decide to seal things from this point on, you'll still get plenty of usage from both items. We use them both, almost daily.
Lasers : Trotec Speedy 300 75W, Trotec Speedy 300 80W, Galvo Fiber Laser 20W
Printers : Mimaki UJF-6042 UV Flatbed Printer , HP Designjet L26500 61" Wide Format Latex Printer, Summa S140-T 48" Vinyl Plotter
Router : ShopBot 48" x 96" CNC Router Rotary Engravers : (2) Xenetech XOT 16 x 25 Rotary Engravers
Real name Steve but that name was taken on the forum. Used Middle name. Call me Steve or Scott, doesn't matter.
There is a slight difference in the depth of engraving with vs without tape with my 50w machine. For reference I did those key fobs' engraving at 500mm/s (max speed on my machine) at 40% power (20w). With tape and without, the depth was very slightly different. If you set them side by side, you could tell which was done with tape but you really had to look close. I think the small details looked better on the wood with the tape opposed to the one without. Maybe that was a factor of having to sand it to remove the discoloration (another reason am looking for a better way of dealing with this). I have noticed that tape takes up about 2-5% of the power, so without tape, I would run 500 @ 35% and with tape 500 @ 40%. But, thats my machine, my wood YMMV is what yall keep telling me
I was doing these at +500lpi as I wanted the detail on the fiddly bits. I suppose that was probably overkill too and slowed it all down more.
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Another suggestion I didn't think about at first: Just engrave the bare wood, and then wipe down with mineral spirits. Denatured Alcohol works too, but mineral spirits seems to cut the goo better. It'll get most or all of the goo off. If needed, then just lightly sand the surface afterwards. By far the fastest and easiest method, IF the spirits cleans off the goo to suit you.
I engrave logos on small wood boxes, this is how I do them. In fact, now that I think about it, I've never masked wood.
My BIL DEEP engraves cedar boxes, and has to mask them, the guck left behind is like half set epoxy...
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THREE- make that FOUR now - fiber lasers
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Suppose cedar would do that. It is a high resin wood. One of the reasons its so good at repelling insects.
As I said, I was resisting use of mineral spirits due to the odor left behind and these were intended to be unfinished wood trinkets of the wood nickel nature. DNA is an option as it leaves no odor or chemical residue.
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One, buy blank wooden nickels. Two, use a solution of a cleaner like Pinesol and water. That will lift all the residue.
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When I have used a clear coat I always either sand afterward or wipe with a damp rag. So I choose which clear coat to use based on how long it takes to dry. My best results are realized by sanding, clear coating, engraving, sanding, then clear coating again. Much faster than mucking with transfer tape, and ends up with a nice finish.
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