As I've been surfing ebay trying to get a feel for what a lot of stuff eventually sells for (and I might add I'm sometimes amazed ) I've seen several #12 and #12 1/2 go for considerable sums...$80 and up. Since I've never read anyone here using one of these, and because LN and LV haven't replicated them, I'm assuming these are better as collector's items. Anyone out there use one?