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    Lapping the backs of blades

    This topic keeps coming up with novices, so I thought it worth writing.


    Whether it is a new or old chisel or plane blade, before it can be sharpened the back must first be flattened.

    This is more critical with chisel blades than plane blades. Chisel blades must be flat at the back of the bevel since this area acts as a fence when paring. With plane blades one might take a short cut and use a micro backbevel (such as David Charlesworth’s "Ruler Trick". There is no short cut with chisels.

    One of the problems facing some new owners of shiny new chisels is that the polishing process dubs the side edges of the blade. The effect is to cause a slight curve at the edge that runs all the full length of the blade, and ends at the bevel edge. This effectively reduces the cutting width of the blade. The diagram below will illustrate this effect.



    In Figure 1 the red area represents the rounded edges looking down at the back of the blade. In Figure 2 this area can be seen again in the cross section of the blade. Figure 3 represents the area that remains unsharpened since a flat honed bevel does not reach into the lower areas.

    The target area for a polished, mirror finish is the 25mm wide section immediately behind the bevel. The remainder of the blade only need be flat.

    The bottom line is that some chisel blades represent more work than others – this could be the price of a pretty, polished blade. Moral of the story: purchase the cheaper, unpolished version if you have this choice.

    Tools of the trade

    There are a number of ways one might flatten the back of a blade. There are mechanical methods, such as using a disk sander or a belt sander. There are hand powered methods, such as Japanese waterstones and sandpaper. Of all these I believe that sandpaper on a flat substrate is the safest method. It is the method I have chosen to demonstrate. Note that this is the method I use – others may prefer their own methods.

    For ease of illustration I will demonstrate the flattening of a few plane blades.

    My lapping surface consists of a 1m long by 200mm wide and 10mm thick sheet of float glass. This is attached to three layers of 19mm thick MDF. Contact your local glazier for an off cut. This is the cheapest option.



    There are different types of sandpaper. I am no expert here. Norton has recently introduced a new aluminum oxide based paper, the 3X. Reports are very promising. Up till now the most durable I know of is Zirconium Oxide belt sander belts, but this is only available in 80 and 120 grits. Generally I use emery paper. This is the black wet-and-dry paper. It does not last as long as Zirconium Oxide but it is easier to obtain, cheaper, and durable enough for most applications. One sheet is usually sufficient for at least three plane blades.



    This is cut into thirds and contact glued to the glass surface. I use inexpensive poster spray contact glue. It sets quickly, is easy to pull free, and can be re-applied.

    The sanding progression

    As with honing the bevel, there is no point in jumping grits. Begin with the lowest that will create a flat surface. Move to the next level that will remove the scratches of the previous level. Continue along this path until the finished surface is both flat and mirror-like. I usually begin with 80 grit, and then move through 120, 240, 360, 600, and 1200 grit. At this point I move to polishing compounds.

    Technique

    The one absolutely essential criterion is that the blade is kept FLAT on the sandpaper. It must not be rocked as this will dub the side of the blade.

    To make sure of keeping the blade flat, one’s weight must be centered over the blade, pushing downward as you slide the blade sideways.

    You can do this with fingertips on the back of the blade, or you can use a large magnet as a grip.


    magnet


    pressing down

    To keep track of progress it is advisable that one marks the area with a permanent marker. This will help one see where are the high and low spots.



    Make sure you keep the sandpaper free of swarf, the filings that are removed by the sandpaper. Do this frequently. It is the messy part of the process.



    Progressive results

    This is what a dubbed blade looks like. This needs to be removed completely before moving to the next grit. It may be necessary to drop back a grit is the one you are using is working too slowly. There is a trade off, however, in this regard since very coarse grits may leave deep scratches, which in turn take more time to remove.

    These scratches looks like 120 grit. I didn’t have anything coarser to hand.



    As one moves through the grits, so there should be an even replacement of the previous grit level. The following picture illustrates a blade at 240 grit.



    END OF PART 1

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    Lapping the backs of blades .... part 2

    After 1200 grit I move to a honing compound. I have tried “Autosol”, a metal polish, but found that this does not produce the shine that one gets with Veritas green rouge (in “crayon” form). The Veritas rouge has a rating of .5 microns.

    One can scribble this directly on the 1200 grit. It works, but there is the possibility of grit contamination, which results in a slightly foggy surface.



    Better to either rub the crayon on a sheet of MDF or a hard leather strop (the one in the picture is the horse butt strop from Tools for Working Wood .



    Some results

    This is a blade at .5 microns.



    and another just for fun …






    Derek Cohen

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    January 2007

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    Derek,
    Excellent! I often use a magic marker on the the bevel side to insure the specific area is being honed...very good suggestion. Once the back is done you are good for a while except for the burr that forms
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    Thanks Derek. Another of your clear, concise and informative articles. Ireally like the magnet trick. That is what is the hardest for me.. I'm sure I'm rocking very subtley and making things more difficult...which is why I use the ruler trick on plane bleds!

    Thanks again,

    Mark

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    Excellent-thanks Derek!
    Again, the magnetic base trick is a great idea. I stick bits of wood on woth double sided tape but they always seem to come loose after a coupl eof minutes....
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    Excellent writeup. One trick I'd like to add - drywall sanding screen works great for the really nasty chisels. The swarf falls thru the holes and helps speed things up a bit. I usually just tape it down on the glass until the worst is behind me then go back to regular sandpaper. I discovered this by accident when I wanted to use some 180 grit paper and was out. A neighbor (a building contractor) mentioned he had some drywall sanding screen that was 180g so I gave it a try. Works great.
    Use the fence Luke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Shepard
    ... One trick I'd like to add - drywall sanding screen works great for the really nasty chisels. ... I discovered this by accident when I wanted to use some 180 grit paper and was out...
    Hi Doug

    I use drywall sheets for flattening waterstones. I have misgivings for its use on the backs of chisel (or plane) blades simply because 180 grit is too high in many cases to begin at. I'd rather start with a 80 grit (are you saying it works as well as 80 grit sandpaper?). The lowest drywall grade I have found is 220 grit, although I am aware it is also made in 180 grit.

    Great for flattening waterstones though.

    Regards from Perth

    Derek

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derek Cohen
    ...
    I have misgivings for its use on the backs of chisel (or plane) blades simply because 180 grit is too high in many cases to begin at. I'd rather start with a 80 grit (are you saying it works as well as 80 grit sandpaper?). The lowest drywall grade I have found is 220 grit, although I am aware it is also made in 180 grit.
    ...
    Dont know that it works as well as 80g but I think it's probably as good as 120 or so. It's not something I like to use a lot as it doesn't leave the back as flat as with sandpaper and the scratches are a little deeper. But it seems to take the metal off LOTs faster. For really bad chisels it works well as a roughing step before switching as soon as it makes sense to sandpaper. The handful of really bad chisels I've used it on, I still ended up using 100 or 80 grit afterwards to get the scratches out and get them really flat but feel it would have taken me twice as long to do it with the sandpaper alone. I've never seen it, but have heard that you can get sanding screen in lower grits as well. I've only ever seen the 180g stuff that my neighbor gave me. If I knew where to get some I'd buy some lower grit screen too.
    Use the fence Luke

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    Derek,

    Thanks for the tutorial. Where is the best places to find the sandpaper you mention?

    In addition what do you use to keep the swarf out of the paper?

    When lapping the soles of planes I go through a lot of paper because the swarf build up. If I could remove it from the paper I could get a lot more milage out of the stuff.

    Thanks.

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    I use my shop vac.

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    Excellent tutorial Derek. Thank you for taking the time and trouble to write and post it. Many folks just starting down the Neanderthal Slippery Slope will find it that in answers a bunch of questions. Here are a couple of observations and notes to add.

    1. Zirconium Oxide paper is readily available in the US up to 220 grit from both Western Tool Supply and Klingspor. Sources of supply in other countries are most easily found in the industrial supply section of your phone book. ZiAl really does last a lot longer and cut quickly.

    2. Removing swarf is easily accomplished with a shop vac though sometimes the metal bits will stick to the grit. A magnet run over the paper will esily pick off the metal and help clean up the paper.

    3. Clean your chisel or blade blade carefully between grits to remove all dirt. If you don't, contamination with the grit you just used will leave random deeper scratches on your next finer grit.
    Last edited by Dave Anderson NH; 01-07-2007 at 9:01 AM.
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    I find a whisk broom cleans the swarf out quite nicely and in a neander kind of quiet.
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  13. Great article!

    I prefer a granite plate to the MDF though - it will stay flat regardless of humidity. LV (And I'm sure others) now sells a small 12x14 or so size that is perfect for the workshop for under $50. Well worth the investment if you have many planes and chisels to maintain.

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    I like the "magnet trick". I have been using a shaped to the hand block with double-back sticky tape.....ok, but troublesome.

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    Another good write-up, Derek. I also like the magnet idea.
    Where did I put that tape measure...

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