Am I the jerk here?

[Rafael Herrera]

Just stopping in to see if we can get to seven pages.

It's only three pages for me. I have different settings. It's not that bad.

[Graham Haydon]

Getting a most perfectly fine Narex mortise chisel, for 1/4th the cost (maybe less.), you might expect a few imperfections. Paying the price for this IBC chisel, I would expect not only for it to be within all STATED specs, but that, without my assistance, magically do the mortises.

Gentlepeople, I have to say, much of our thinking has been seriously corrupted by YouTube “influencers” that hawk goods. Where has skill building gone? Why do we think we need (almost) aircraft tolerances on our plane soles or sides of mortise chisels? Why? Because an influencer told us it is important and a vendor has stepped selling the spiel. The chisel tolerance won’t make us better. TableSaw Tom has said it best on forums, that more plane soles are screwed up by improper flattening methods

In any case, if I’m paying $150.00 for a tool and the vendor guarantees a tolerance, the tool had better be in tolerance.

Yup! 100% right!

[Cameron Wood]

Getting a most perfectly fine Narex mortise chisel, for 1/4th the cost (maybe less.), you might expect a few imperfections. Paying the price for this IBC chisel, I would expect not only for it to be within all STATED specs, but that, without my assistance, magically do the mortises.

Gentlepeople, I have to say, much of our thinking has been seriously corrupted by YouTube “influencers” that hawk goods. Where has skill building gone? Why do we think we need (almost) aircraft tolerances on our plane soles or sides of mortise chisels? Why? Because an influencer told us it is important and a vendor has stepped selling the spiel. The chisel tolerance won’t make us better. TableSaw Tom has said it best on forums, that more plane soles are screwed up by improper flattening methods

In any case, if I’m paying $150.00 for a tool and the vendor guarantees a tolerance, the tool had better be in tolerance.

As near as I can tell, the chisel is within the claimed specs, but let's don't let that get in the way of a lively discussion.

[Patrick Baney]

As near as I can tell, the chisel is within the claimed specs

What makes you think this?

[Cameron Wood]

What makes you think this?

See post #26...

[Patrick Baney]

See post #26...

Ok, I see. So my original post said

Am I the jerk here?
They’re both identically about .6 degrees out. Rusty trig suggests these chisels are out of square by about .004, double the advertised .002 tolerance. This is easily observed by all my squares.

This is actually backwards...I measured how far out it was through feeler gauges, then used [really] rusty trig to deduce the angle of the sides. Apparently the trig was botched, and the angle of the sides deviates more than .6 from 90. Using a starrett square secured in a vise, I placed the bottom (back) of the chisel in the square and was able to fit a .004 feeler in, but not a .005. It is indeed out of spec.

[Edward Weber]

1/4" or 1/4 mile. out of tolerance is out of tolerance.

Why some are having such a hard time understanding.
OP bought a tool that should be X and it wasn't X it was something else.
He is not the jerk for simply trying to get what he paid for.
It doesn't matter what he bought or to what degree it wasn't correct.

[Cameron Wood]

Ok, I see. So my original post said



This is actually backwards...I measured how far out it was through feeler gauges, then used [really] rusty trig to deduce the angle of the sides. Apparently the trig was botched, and the angle of the sides deviates more than .6 from 90. Using a starrett square secured in a vise, I placed the bottom (back) of the chisel in the square and was able to fit a .004 feeler in, but not a .005. It is indeed out of spec.

OK, got it. I used a digital angle gauge- inexpensive and very handy.