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EVs have gobs of low-end torque. It's more a question of traction, which would be true for any pickup. Mind you, I'm comparing the question of EV vs ICE F150: I have no idea how well a 'normal' F150 works as a snow-plow.Originally Posted by Clarence Martinn
(And if your usage profile actually requires something F250/F350-sized, why would you care?)
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A few years ago at Yosemite National park I noticed a charging station in the parking lot behind the fancy hotel. I doubt many cars could get up the hill in winter with the heat on without charging before heading down the hill to the nearest charging station
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I would assume a pickup with a extra ton of batteries would have better snow traction then a ice version. I do not know the ford's battery weight but tesla is about 2,000 pounds
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One nice thing about a crew cab is the back seats can be folded up if items need to be stored inside the vehicle.Most real work trucks are regular cab or super cab if they are F-150s, or if crew cab they use an F-250 or F-350 for the larger bed capacity.
For me a short bed is next to useless. For some people it may be all they need.
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Exactly, and if you see the picture on the website of the man loading suitcases in the trunk (which I guess is what you call the area where an engine used to reside) this thing has a ton of storage. I spent quite a bit of time looking at the site today and this truck is really nice. I hope it can live up to the 300 mile range.
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No clue on the new Ford but the new Hummer EV's can be had with up to 11,500# of torque... that should push some snow!
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I see plenty of them around here. Imagine it's a regional variation.
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Remember about those range claims:
1. They're usually a "best case" meaning that nothing else (like the air conditioner) is running.
2. You really can't run the battery all the way down - Just like with a gasoline car, you need to find a place to fill up before it's totally empty.
3. Over time, the battery capacity decreases.
So, your usable range is maybe 75% of specified when the vehicle is new, and maybe 65% after it ages a bit (that is, how far you can reasonably go before recharging).
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One thing noticed on a recent drive down to California is some of the rest stops on I-5 had two or three charging stations.
What surprised me a few days ago while shopping was a Ford F-450 parked next to me. Looking it up online it appears it is a 1-1/2 ton truck.Most real work trucks are regular cab or super cab if they are F-150s, or if crew cab they use an F-250 or F-350 for the larger bed capacity.
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When it comes to fleet trucks other issues have to be dealt with. Like a company is going to have to pay an employee to sit around waiting for a EV to charge if they use more than it's range. My first job was delivering glass with a 1/2 ton GMC. There never was a lot of glass but I crossed several states and usually went through 2+ tanks of gas. Often it would take me 10 to 12 hours. Adding an extra hour or so each trip would add up.
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I am going the other way, and backing away from full size pickups. I have always had a pickup for towing or carrying an RV...since 1968, and an El Camino before that. I sold the last boat, 5th wheel /camper, dune buggy/Jeep I will ever own. My current F250 diesel is in the process of being sold to a grandson.
I still want a pickup and the new breed of mini truck, like the Ford Maverick, will now suit me for the Home Depot runs, and occasional furniture/tool hauling.
Since I also have a lot of solar at home, I will wait until they make a mini truck that is preferably a plug in hybrid, or a full battery powered model. I suspect Ford will have this type available on the Maverick in a year or two. Maybe Honda Ridgeline will too. Meantime we have two small plug in hybrid SUV's that are six and seven years old.
They have lost very little range, and at least 75% of the mileage has been on electric, even though they have been on several two thousand mile trips. We gas them up every 3-4 months, unless we take a trip.
Everyone's need is different, and in my case I will only buy a vehicle with a plug, if possible.
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Rick, that's not a bad way to go. I bought a small 5x8 flatbed utility trailer years go when I sold the pickup in favor of a midsize SUV for family reasons after we adopted our girls. That trailer has handled all the hard tasks and big things that couldn't fit in the various SUVs I've been driving. I can put a 10' stick or three into my Subaru Ascent up the middle, but if I need a lot of material or big stuff like sheet goods, the trailer gets the nod. It's also been getting a lot of work since our move, both for physically moving machinery and materials, but also with the back and forth to the other property to mow with my ZTR. A small pickup like you describe would be a similar setup for "as is" hauling with the ability, if you choose, to have a small trailer to get bigger stuff every once in awhile. EVs and Hybrids haul just fine...they have wonderful low end torque. Towing limits may be lower, but it sounds like RVing isn't part of your deal anymore .
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One possibility that excites me about the Lightning is that there’s an add on generator that mounts like those truck bed tool boxes. It occurs to me that if Ford makes that thing easy to install and remove, owners could rent a generator for the occasional long trip.
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Kind of depends on your definition of "easy to install and remove". To be useful, 10KW is about the minimum (probably more like 2X-3X that), which makes humping the generator in/out of the bed something you really don't want to do too often.
Yoga class makes me feel like a total stud, mostly because I'm about as flexible as a 2x4.
"Design"? Possibly. "Intelligent"? Sure doesn't look like it from this angle.
We used to be hunter gatherers. Now we're shopper borrowers.
The three most important words in the English language: "Front Towards Enemy".
The world makes a lot more sense when you remember that Butthead was the smart one.
You can never be too rich, too thin, or have too much ammo.
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According to some web sites I found, at 70 mph, an EV uses about 0.25 KWh per hour. So a 10 KW generator will put about 40 miles into the battery in an hour. If you're driving 70 mph, you'll have to take the other 30 miles out of the vehicle battery. You'd need about an 18 KW generator to keep up with driving 70 mph.
But using a 10 KW generator is not unreasonable. You'd be pulling about 7.5KWh per hour from the main battery. If you had a 75KWh battery, that would give you 10 hours of driving before you'd be empty. At 70 mph, that's 750 miles.
Based on these assumptions, a 75 KWh battery would give a range of 300 miles without the generator.
Mike
[Some web sites quote a slightly larger figure for the KWH per mile at 70 mph. One I saw was a bit over 0.30 KWh per mile at 70 mph. You can calculate the numbers with your choice of KWh per mile.]
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