Is that 33k NZD?
Is that 33k NZD?
Congrats, Albert! No matter what you chose from all these fine machines, it would be a great upgrade. But wow...Holy Lead Time, Batman!
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Thanks Mark!
what I was referring to is that the saw blade can do +46 to -46 deg. So it can tilt 92 deg not just normal 45 deg
I think this is a very useful feature I am yet to put it into a product that requires it…
SCM told me I actually got a few days to decide if I want an L’Invincibile (can only do 45 deg) or the Class si X (can do 92deg) they are more or less the same price for the spec I want.
Currently the lead time is 12 months for us…
I got a few days to confirm if I want to go with +/-46 deg Class machine or the entry level L’Invincibile. They work out about the same price! I can’t think of anything substantial - maybe I used the traditional for too long and it’s limiting my creativity.
Well my Felder agent must have heard the news, they came to me and gave me a ridiculous price for a Kappa 590. automated and programmed tilt for the saw blade, but manual rip, 30k USD. should I take it?
Well that sounds like a good price. As far as the automated rip, I honestly found no value in having it being a low volume user but now I kinda wished I went for it for it, over the long term the cost isn’t that high (for me 25 yrs +) and adds a lot of utility. Now eventually the electronics will fail (like all electronics, yes they do have a life span…) but that could be 10,20yrs or never in your ownership and not sure what the cost is there to replace. I didn’t even realize that the 590 could be configured without the automated rip, I always feel a rep should try to upsell equipment - quotes are free, changing your mind after the fact is not as cheap…
I visited Felder yesterday to have a proper look. the Kappa 590 has very nice software, easy to use.
You know the support you will be getting will be great (I have a Felder AD951)
However, there are a few minor details that I am not particularly happy about, I wont delve into great detail. I will use the following photos as an example, this is my Griggio Unica 350/400 mitre fence extension, the extension is a thick aluminium extrusion that measures 60 x 45mm (2 3/8 x 1 3/4)). I believe this is a basic model from Griggio in 2013, probably costed $15k USD back then.
You would think the mitre fence extension on the top of the line Felder panel saw that cost $60k NZD should have something substantial. but no. it was just a 25mm x 25mm (or 1 x 1, approximately) boxed section - sorry I didnt take a photo, it is very similar to what I had on my Robland NX410.
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If Felder had the Griggio style mitre fence extension Felder will rave about it, there will be a lot of photos online with well written description that makes you want to buy it, possibly even a Youtube clip from Felder dedicated to this mitre fence, and when you visit Felder you are told this is an option you have to fork out more $$$ I am not surprised Griggio has such a nice mitre fence, I think they use to make Martin's entry level saw before they went under.
obviously this is just one little detail and probably dont matter to a lot of woodworker, you probably dont need a large extension like this, Felder probably put more resource into its software/technology....etc anyhow no one is going to buy/not buy a panel saw because of this.
In comparison to my recent purchase of a SCM TI145 EP spindle moulder, the SCM surprised me with its quality of build, engineering style and attention to detail, unfortunately I cant say the same for its local service, the user manual feels like the guy went on lunch and skipped a few lines, and the amount of information you can find online - there is nothing apart from SCM brochure and some very old video clips. SCM needs to do a lot of work in this regard.
The Kappa 590 certainly is a great saw, has a lot of bells and whistles, but probably not something I am looking for…
Last edited by Albert Lee; 07-09-2021 at 5:15 PM.
Hi Albert,
pretty sure the dro fence on k940 is the same on the 590, (did it look like the below pic?) not sure if there is really anything to be concerned with the tube on the Felder fence is thick steel and rides on ball bearings, very smooth and the extrusion webbing is very thick. the Felder Fence is robust in my opinion with small flaw, the dro stops have these thin plastic strips to aid in the smooth movement on the extrusion, they are just stuck on and came loose and bunched up so I had to remove them - Felder was supposed to send me new ones but never did…
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Last edited by Mark e Kessler; 07-09-2021 at 5:30 PM.
Hi Mark, for some reason I cant view the pics... I am pretty sure Felder machine are just fine, its just me being very cautious.
one interesting thing about the Kappa 590, the motor look more like a book. yes. a book, rather than a motor! sales said its a synchronous motor that puts less strain on the saw assembly which I agree.
Havnt made up my mind about what saw to get, Italian cars are notoriously bad with their electronics, I hope their woodworking equipment does not share the same heritage.
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