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  1. 03-27-2021, 8:30 PM #1
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    Sargent made a what?

    A large bevel gauge...
    Walkabout Friday, Sargent Bevel Gauge.JPG
    Has Sargent stamped on the blade with a July 23 1873 Patent date..
    Handle is 6-1/2" long, counting the steel thumbscrew....hmmmm?
    Walkabout Friday, Greenlee 442.JPG
    Also found a pair of socket chisels....and this Greenlee No. 442..
    Walkabout Friday, 2 chisels, 1 driver.JPG
    The 1/4" chisel is a Witherby....the 1/2" one MIGHT be a PEXTO....

    Was on a "walk about" in my car....( spent $5 on the Sargent, BTW)

    Found a huge ball peen hammer, too...
    Walkabout Friday, small stuff.JPG
    Along with that Stanley No. 5-1/4, T-20...and that Hanson egg beater drill....

    When you can walk into a room, and see a wall like this...
    Walkabout Friday, end of the aisle.JPG

    Or something like like just sitting around on the floor...
    Walkabout Friday, ground floor saw.JPG
    So..how big was that hammer?
    Walkabout Friday, BIG hammer.JPG
    I might have a tack hammer bigger...

    Was just out hitting a few places I hadn't been to lately....
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  3. 03-28-2021, 12:00 AM #2
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    That’s a nice “bevel gauge”. No beat up wood ,and a nice out of the way turn button.
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  4. 03-28-2021, 7:41 PM #3
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    Steven,
    As far as I can find your bevel gauge was patented by Samual D. Sargent and assigned to the Stanley Rule & Level Co, July 22 1873, Patent No 141,081.
    The well known Sargent & Co of New Haven CT, was, I believe, owned by Joseph B. Sargent.
    To have the patent info on it, could it be over 140 years old?
    Hope this is helpful,
    Cheers,
    Geoff.
    Last edited by Geoff Emms; 03-29-2021 at 7:13 PM. Reason: more info. Correction.
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    Steven,

    Ya did good! I especially like the socket chisels.

    The hammer reminds me of a clip in MAD magazine from well over 50 years ago about carpenters advise on hammers. It was specifically about carpenters claw hammers, but with that hammer the advise could also fit. It went something like this:

    "When using a hammer always use white medical tape, and tape your ear close to your head so you won't catch it with a hammer. That will give you a clear shot at your thumb."

    Stew
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  6. 03-31-2021, 2:22 PM #5
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    The question I'm having....is this a Sargent made gauge....or is it a Stanley?...The only markings on it are a "Sargent's" "Patent" JULY 22 1973

    Only markings on the handle are where someone "marked" it with a triangular file....

    No mention anywhere about "Stanley"..


    Other question....is about that Greenlee No. 442 spiral screwdriver....with a rosewood handle, no less. Any info?
    Walkabout Friday, Greenlee 442.JPG
    even at full extension...
    Walkabout Friday, driver extended.JPG
    The spiral stays hidden....came with a Phillips#2 tip, BTW

    There was an AMF Block plane...that I should have bought...
    Walkabout Friday, Boston cutey.JPG
    Cute, ain't it? has the A. M F. spelled out on the rear deck...skinny little "apron" plane....twas sitting on a shelf...
    Walkabout Friday, across the table.JPG
    may go back and pick it up...IF it is still there.....

    details on the bevel gauge..
    IMG_6049.JPGIMG_6048.JPG

    two pins down at the end..go all the way through. Handle to tighten the gauge has a pin peened through it. "Bolt" as the pivot, looks almost like a split nut.....lots of "patina" but no rust....spent $5 on it..
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  7. 03-31-2021, 2:59 PM #6
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    The best source of information on the bevel gauge is on this page:

    Screen Shot 2021-03-31 at 11.52.25 AM.jpg

    DATAMP > http://www.datamp.org/patents/displa...41081&id=10407

    Is a very good source of patent information.

    If Samuel D. Sargent was related to the Sargent Company, maybe there was a little friction in the family.

    Interesting information about Samuel D. Sargent is he also came up with the knuckle joint cap on block planes > http://www.datamp.org/patents/search...&id=8916&set=5

    He had 5 patents in total. His first "Improvement in Carpenter's Bevels" was assigned to L. Bailey in 1872.

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    Last edited by Jim Koepke; 03-31-2021 at 3:05 PM. Reason: Added info on Samuel D. Sargent
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  8. 03-31-2021, 4:40 PM #7
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    When and picked up that Apron Plane....American Tool & Foundry..blade is only 1-3/16" wide...plane is 1-5/8" wide by 6-1/4" long....and of course, they had the iron in bevel down..

    Also picked a Stanley No. 51 spokeshave...with the clipped corner logo on the blade...

    a North Bros. No. 135, made before Stanley bought them out..even has a screwdriver bit....
    Will wait until I get a few photos processed....have what looks like a sash chisel.....except there be a groove down the back....

    Will post a few pictures in a bit...
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    And...here we go...Apron plane?
    Walkabout, part2, plane logo.JPG
    Walkabout, part2, side of plane.JPG
    Walkabout, part2, top of plane.JPG
    And the sole...
    Walkabout,part2, sole views.JPG

    That spokeshave?
    Walkabout, part2, spokeshave front.JPG
    Why do they always look like a crab>
    Walkabout, part2, spokeshave sole.JPG
    Says it is a No. 51.....
    And..a strange chisel....from about any angle, it looks like a sash chisel...but...
    Walkabout, part2, strange chisel, groovy.JPG
    I don't think this was supposed to be flat?
    Walkabout, part2, North Bros 135.JPG
    This was made by a Div. of Stanley Tools....from after 1949....I think....
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    Missed one...the view from the side of that chisel...
    Walkabout, part2, strange chisel, side view.JPG

    How does one sharpen this thing?
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    Steven,
    DATAMP is also where I got my info' on the bevel gauge. As Jim said it is a very good research site. It is reliant on volunteers to add new info as it comes to light. The stewards at DATAMP would probably appreciate a good quality photo of your gauge, showing the important patent date. If you are interested in assisting them, have a look at this link: http://www.datamp.org/

    Cheers,
    Geoff.
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    Ok....Then there is this Apron Plane....
    Apron plane rehab, rear view.JPG
    Compared to a "normal" Stanley No. 110...
    Apron plane rehab, Mutt & Jeff.JPG
    And...placed beside a Stanley No. 7c, Type 9...
    Apron plane rehab, land of the Giants.JPG
    There are 2 No. 7s on that shelf....next shelf up is a pair of No. 6s....

    Wasn't much I could do with the sole, though...
    Apron plane rehab, sole view.JPG
    Didn't want to get too thinned out....
    Apron plane rehab, shavings.JPG
    THAT is the washer it came with...after a good cleaning up.
    Apron plane rehab, side.JPG
    It will make shavings, too.....
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