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    To my eye it looks like Rob Cosman and Ron Bontz make elegant tools designed explicitly for this purpose, to be used with the pride of someone who appreciates a well made tool. As I just happened upon this idea from the perspective of a dovetail newcomer, I wanted to explore any way to get this task done, perhaps without the expense. But now that I've taken a closer look at Cosman's tool, and a close look at Bontz's, I can see the appeal of either one. The influence of Tage Frid lives.

    Others, like Michael Fross here, seem to have the skill to fashion their own beautiful tools. And then there's Derek the Resourceful, whom we all revere. I am not one of those. My nephew works in metal so I might ask him to see about a brass back for my scraper blade. But for now, it's the little rectangular blade and light hammer taps (making sure to clamp the sides first). I've spent too much collecting the toolkit already. I'm just glad the idea has been put in my head. It's time to make some joints.

    By the way, Rob C. says his tool is the thickness of the kerf, not the plate, to avoid creating a diagonal shelf.
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    I LOVE mine from BontzSawWorks

    https://www.bontzsawworks.net/home/h...dovetail-tool/

    If mine were stolen or disappeared, I would find a replacement right quick.

    I generally clamp the sides when I use this, especially near the ends, just to make sure I do not do something crazy like split the board.

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    [QUOTE=steven c newman;3084788]Red Devil...UNION, N.J. USA No.4101



    Great idea, Steve, using a stiff paint scraper for dovetails. I tried using saw plate or a old card scraper quite a few years ago to help with making half-blinds. I had seen this technique used by an instructor from the North Bennett Street School. Pretty sure he didn't get his idea from reading this (or any other) woodworking forum. I had mixed success with it, depending on the species of wood being worked.

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    Here you go...
    kerfing tool..JPG
    Steel, brass, and rosewood....what more could you want....

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    Quote Originally Posted by steven c newman View Post
    Here you go...
    kerfing tool..JPG
    Steel, brass, and rosewood....what more could you want....
    Ha! For the win!
    Sharp solves all manner of problems.

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    Ha. When I first got out of the military, many moons ago, I went through a painter's apprenticeship. That putty knife was our do all tool. Everything from scraping to freeing up stuck window jambs as well as opening up paint/ varnish cans. There were three versions of that putty knife. extra stiff, semi stiff and flexible. It was really just a matter of thickness. I would sharpen my stiff one for chisel work as well. I dare say I ruined a few tapping them with a hammer. I always had the red devil stiff and flexible with me. I still have a couple to this day and use them. Do they still make the wooden handled ones? I never cared for those plastic handled putty knives. An acquaintance that was using his for a dovetail tool was actually the person that got me to make my version.

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    Back in my trimming days, I would always go over to the house where the tapers were working at lunch time cuz they had a griddle they put on the propane high hat heater to cook their lunch on and guess what the used for spatulas? Yep - the scrapers and mud knives. Best tacos and skirt steaks I've ever had.
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    And, in use...
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    YMMV....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graham Haydon View Post
    Derek, on the basis that woodworking has been about rather a long time it's a strong comment to say you made the first dovetail kerfing tool. All manner of shop made devices have never been recorded.
    Props for publishing your useful method before Cosman.

    In regards to how useful it is, I don't know. Perhaps I'll need to try it some day and report back. If someone wants to drop their own money on any kerfing tool, go right ahead.
    Ron Bonz make his kerfing tool before Rob Cosman produced his. While, as far as I can ascertain (I do research these things), mine was the first attempt to make a specialised tool (and not simply use the edge of a scraper). As far as I can tell, Ron was the first to make one one commercially.

    Graham, in regard to its usefulness, unless you are in the habit of making hand cut half-blind dovetails, it would be difficult to appreciate how helpful this tool is. We are all following in the footsteps of Tage Frid, in this regard. He was no schmeckle (translation from Yiddish, "dickhead").

    Regards from Perth

    Derek

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    Thanks for my new word for the day! The dog forums I frequent is mostly occupied by ladies. They often refer to their Dear Husbands as DH. I have often wondered if that was really how it was intended.

    edited to add: I can remember making exactly 1 drawer with blind dovetails by hand. It was a replacement for an 18th Century Federal sideboard. I just used the saw. I'd tap it down a bit, and withdraw, repeat, repeat. I'd never seen anyone use one of these tools back then. The drawer front was Mahogany.
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    I have been making half blind dovetails for forty five years. I tried the scraper trick for a while around 1981, but I judged it a waste of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warren Mickley View Post
    I have been making half blind dovetails for forty five years. I tried the scraper trick for a while around 1981, but I judged a waste of time.
    I agree Warren. I think we can fall victim to buying another tool when it is not really necessary.

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    Mark, I am certain you’re right. But I suspect (hope?) tapping down on the angled pinboard cut will save a bit of paring, and at my level of (in)experience that is appealing. Especially if I can use a free scraper blade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Jones 5443 View Post
    Mark, I am certain you’re right. But I suspect (hope?) tapping down on the angled pinboard cut will save a bit of paring, and at my level of (in)experience that is appealing. Especially if I can use a free scraper blade.
    Bob, your are correct it will make paring go quicker. If you also make a cut in the center of the pin the waste can be popped out quickley.

    If you check > https://sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?258465 < scroll down to post #18 to see my use of a kerf cutter.

    Having a special tool for this can be pleasing. Using what is already in the shop, "free scraper blade," is thrifty.

    jtk
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    Derek, my point was not to argue about how useful it would be. You do good work and find the tool useful, that's great. I have no wish to change anything you do.

    My issue was more that people seem to get caught up thinking they were the first to "invent" something. In this case you feel you are the first documented creator of this tool. That's fine too. But woodworking has a wider base than magazines and books.

    If you are trying to infer I think Tage Frid was a "dickhead", well I'm not sure how you managed that leap. See paragraph two as to why I chose to respond.

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