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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Pratt View Post
    I have worn a mask in public indoor spaces since the beginning & continue to do so.

    I don't wear gloves though, because what's the point? I can get the same level of protection with a good squirt of sanitizer. I might go through a dozen (or dozens) of pairs of gloves in a day to get the same benefit that a bit of hand sanitizer or soap & water gives.
    I agree, if it was transmitted thru the skin or open cuts in the skin then gloves would make sense to me. If you touch a contaminated surface and then your face doesn't matter if you have gloves on or not. Same goes for touching a contaminated surface and then contaminating another surface, don't see why gloves would make a difference. Only way gloves help is maybe reminding you not to touch your face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Bolton View Post
    That was my point. As Steve stated better above... the masks just slow the spread in the hopes of some future solution.. either it peters out, a vaccine, or herd immunity. Again, my point was that masks just buy us time and reduce deaths and exposure, it doesnt make anything "go away".
    You're right. I think what Dr Redfield testified was that we would have had the pandemic under control, not that the virus would go away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Bolton View Post
    In the hosts barging up and down the streets belching diesel smoke and flying flags, as well as the 1600 and some-odd individuals the CDC has tracked that lied about their behavior and exposure then boarded planes exposing some 11000 other passengers, flight crew, airport staff, baggage handlers, and so on. Along with the numerous individuals who are checking-in to doctors appointments (masks on) and lying to check-in that they have been out traveling or had exposure simply because they dont want to reschedule. Homeless and the poor who simply cant meet the guidelines, and the list goes on. None of that even takes into consideration the asymptomatics. The flu doesnt just "go away" in the summer and then re-appear.

    My SO has has had an eye doctor appointment, as well as a dentist appointment, and has a coworker whose wife is a dermatologist, all of which have been very outspoken about people blatantly misinforming their offices with regards to exposure and then while they are in-the-chair, they let it slip forgetting they lied, that they have traveled, or have had exposure. Which results in them being escorted out of the office, the entire office shut down, responsible patients being rescheduled.

    SO's mother did the EXACT thing coming back from a 2 week trip to NC and having a routine doctors appointment 2 days after return and flat out lied.
    OK my bad, thought we were talking about reasonable honest people who care about their communities. For the people you describe more drastic measures may be necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Garson View Post
    OK my bad, thought we were talking about reasonable honest people who care about their communities.
    Tell me where to move to... lol

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    Normally, precautions are related to risk and/or consequences, and founded in reality. A dose of common sense doesn't hurt.

    As I neared a couple on our local bike trail yesterday, they pulled their masks up while riding their bikes. They had a much higher chance of an accident than catching a virus.

    I've had this same behavior happen walking through a parking lot.

    The other night we went out to eat, as there was nobody around the check in desk we didn't have our masks on. But, we were told to wear our masks, immediately escorted 12 feet to our table, and ............ took our masks off.

    Simply to illustrate the disinformation, fear, nonsensical behavior that stems from it.

    The schools in my state are open for over a month. And, predictably, there is no spike because we know children are insignificant sources of infection and have a higher chance of dying struck by lightning then dying of COVID.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Engel View Post
    Normally, precautions are related to risk and/or consequences, and founded in reality. A dose of common sense doesn't hurt.

    As I neared a couple on our local bike trail yesterday, they pulled their masks up while riding their bikes. They had a much higher chance of an accident than catching a virus.

    I've had this same behavior happen walking through a parking lot.

    The other night we went out to eat, as there was nobody around the check in desk we didn't have our masks on. But, we were told to wear our masks, immediately escorted 12 feet to our table, and ............ took our masks off.

    Simply to illustrate the disinformation, fear, nonsensical behavior that stems from it.

    The schools in my state are open for over a month. And, predictably, there is no spike because we know children are insignificant sources of infection and have a higher chance of dying struck by lightning then dying of COVID.

    I wish the logic and moral compass of your server and the cyclists on your trail were the norm because if it were we'd have likely been done with this months and months ago. The simple fact is you have the people who simply refuse to comply because they are not going to be infringed upon, those who refuse to comply because they believe there are aliens underground at Area51 and will buck anything the gubmint and the media says, those who refuse to comply because they are too proud or too embarrassed to wear a mask, those who refuse to comply because they think this only impacts a few, on and on and on.

    SO thinks she needs to wear a mask at all times. Perhaps no riding in the car alone, but I wouldnt be surprised if that happened. 6' distance, outside, Im fine with no mask. I break that rule out of common courtesy for others who may not feel the same. Just the same as I do when walking my dog on a long lead... he gets reeled in tight when approaching others... I have no idea if they are afraid of dogs, dont like dogs, dont want dog stink on their hands or clothes.. Its the same reason I wear a mask at the convenience store when there is not a sole in sight,.. its not for me, its for the poor sole who is behind the register needing a paycheck and dealing with the compliant and the noncompliant.

    Sadly, those who will likely usher us into the next 4 years by their direct and consistent actions fall squarely in the selfish/bad camp.

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    What has changed with us?

    We've stopped wiping food packaging down before it enters the house.

    We are OK with eating at restaurants outdoors, and do quite a bit outdoors. We've tried golf, hike, etc. Otherwise, we're doing the precautions that are recommended/required.

    Winter is coming, so we'll probably cut out the outdoors stuff soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Bolton View Post
    Tell me where to move to... lol
    North except the border is closed.

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    I wonder why some Universities have not reopened and only allow on campus students. They would stay in the dorms and not leave campus until thanksgiving. Who cares if they spread the infection to each other. They are young enough that not too many would die and they would not spread it off campus. Probably fewer deaths total because this plan would eliminate drunk driving death by 100%.
    BILL D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Garson View Post
    North except the border is closed.
    I use to spend some time outside Montreal in Lac's De Sieze Iles (sp) and thought about it for a long time but I cant take the cold anymore (born and raised in New England).... But you all seem a pretty happy lot. May be a time to stock up on mittens and wool socks or look to the coasts.. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Dufour View Post
    I wonder why some Universities have not reopened and only allow on campus students. They would stay in the dorms and not leave campus until thanksgiving. Who cares if they spread the infection to each other. They are young enough that not too many would die and they would not spread it off campus. Probably fewer deaths total because this plan would eliminate drunk driving death by 100%.
    BILL D
    Its because of dollars and cents. The Universities were facing bankruptcy if students didnt come back for in-person. No one is going to pay piracy rates for on-line higher education. So the Universities need the in-person students to feed their income rolls. The problem is you then have a pretty high percentage of the most reckless and selfish individuals who have a warped sense of logic that an overwhelming percentage of their college "experience" is suppose to be spend wasting their parents savings for college on parties and social endeavors as compared to bleeding every last drop of knowledge they can out of the institution. Add in sports programs and college becomes a total screw off session mitered down in fraternity and sorority foolishness that achieves zero learning and nothing but non-mask BS.

    Universities in our area are cracking down hard just to keep in-person classes an option. I highly doubt it will ever be an outcome but one may hope this issues a bi(ch slap that your in school to learn.. not to learn how to funnel beers and do keg stands, but learn.... but it wont happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Dufour View Post
    I wonder why some Universities have not reopened and only allow on campus students. They would stay in the dorms and not leave campus until thanksgiving. Who cares if they spread the infection to each other. They are young enough that not too many would die and they would not spread it off campus. Probably fewer deaths total because this plan would eliminate drunk driving death by 100%.
    BILL D
    I live in a university town. They spread everything they get outside of the campus. They don't/won't stay in the dorms, they don't/won't stay on campus. We're already seeing an increase in cases.

    They won't even actually perform the current "requirements" of the university in regards to any of this. What makes you think they won't leave the campus to go drink and party? They will, and do. It's a pipe-dream to believe otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Garson View Post
    Agree with the rest of your post but I'm with the experts on this, as others have said, the virus can only survive a few hours outside a human host. If it doesn't spread from that host it either kills the host and then dies or the host kills it. Either way, just a matter of time before it dies out. Where do you think it would be waiting for 3 to 4 weeks if everyone took masks seriously?
    An interesting data point here: New Zealand continues to detect cases in their general population months after having presumably eliminated the virus. Not many, but not zero. That means that despite their (very good) best efforts, the virus continues to leak through their border quarantine (either that, or it has undetected human or animal reservoirs, but this seems highly unlikely given the lack of clustering of new infections).

    But the equation for eliminating the virus from a population, once it's widely present, isn't as simple just make sure everybody wears a mask and washes their hands for a few weeks, for a couple of reasons. First, the precautions we use don't magically make the replication (R-nought) of the virus zero. They are not perfect. So the viral population will decay exponentially from from where we are, to, eventually zero. If the infection generation interval is 5 days (a common estimate), and we have 100,000 current active cases (very low estimate), and we can get R down to .2 (pretty low), we'll still have some active cases in the US after 35 days. Secondly, we don't actually know how long infected people can continue to shed virus, in the tail of the distribution. It could be quite long for people with unique immune system challenges.

    None of this makes the idea a bad one - they just mean you want to measure effectiveness with aggressive testing, and continue testing beyond your "extinction" horizon so that you detect new outbreaks as they happen - because they will happen, either because the virus gets imported, or because one of these odd reservoirs (animals, unique humans) re-ignite it. Again, New Zealand is testing 5000 people/day in order to maintain their status quo.

    Beyond that, we really need that safe and effective vaccine, and good population compliance with mass vaccination. That's how we kicked polio and measles out of the US, and that's what will kick SARS-CoV-2 out, and keep it (mostly) out.

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    The really expensive colleges were among the first to close. Looks like they no longer dismiss "home correspondence "
    schools.

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    Then biggest colleges have disgusting cash reserves, endowment funds, and Alumi donors, all who's aim is to uphold academia at all costs for mere posterity.

    Stop lying to yourself

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