California to ban internal combustion engine cars by 2035

[Bill Dufour]

Our Governor just signed a bill to outlaw the sale of new internal combustion engined cars and trucks? by 2035. unclear if it includes trucks or not. It does include gas and diesel. I assume propane and CNG as well. I wonder how forest fire trucks will last on battery power for days in the field away from power lines much less chargers. I beleive rolls royce and Tslea cars weigh so much that they are considered trucks by the IRS for busniess tax deduction purposes.
I keep waiting for GE to announce electric powered airplane engines.
Bil lD.

[Doug Garson]

I keep waiting for GE to announce electric powered airplane engines.
Bil lD.

Actually magniX already has.
https://www.harbourair.com/harbour-a...tric-airplane/
https://www.magnix.aero/

[Mike Henderson]

Our Governor just signed a bill to outlaw the sale of new internal combustion engined cars and trucks? by 2035. unclear if it includes trucks or not. It does include gas and diesel. I assume propane and CNG as well. I wonder how forest fire trucks will last on battery power for days in the field away from power lines much less chargers. I believe rolls royce and Telsa cars weigh so much that they are considered trucks by the IRS for business tax deduction purposes.
I keep waiting for GE to announce electric powered airplane engines.
Bil lD.

If I recall, the order only applies to cars and light trucks. There's no intent to restrict larger trucks to electric power, or to restrict special vehicles, such as forest fire trucks. It also only applies to new vehicles and does not restrict the sale of older petroleum powered vehicles (used vehicles). I assume that if other states don't do the same restrictions, you will still be able to purchase a petroleum powered vehicle in those states. If someone moves to California and owns one of those vehicles, I assume they will be able to bring the vehicle into California. However, if you live in California you won't be able to purchase a petroleum powered vehicle in another state and bring it into California.

The order is fairly reasonable as far as what it covers. And it doesn't go into effect until 2035. And it's just an executive order, not a law passed by the legislature. So a future governor can cancel or modify the order. The legislature could even pass a law that overturns it.

As Harry Truman said, "When you see 10 troubles coming towards you, don't panic. Nine of them will run off the road before they get to you."

Mike

[Overall, I think it's a great idea and one that is really needed.]

[David Buchhauser]

However, if you live in California you won't be able to purchase a petroleum powered vehicle in another state and bring it into California.

If this only applies to the sale of new vehicles, then I see no reason why a California resident could not purchase a used petroleum powered vehicle in another state and register it in California. There will most certainly be a plethora of loop-holes.
David

[Brian Elfert]

If this only applies to the sale of new vehicles, then I see no reason why a California resident could not purchase a used petroleum powered vehicle in another state and register it in California. There will most certainly be a plethora of loop-holes.

The question is would California register it? It would make it a bit hard to move to California.

California won't allow any heavy trucks with engines older than 2010 into the state now, even from other states. This isn't as big an issue now as most long haul semi tractors have been replaced since 2010. I'm sure it cost a lot of smaller businesses a lot of money as they tend to run older equipment. This isn't a registration issue. It is illegal to drive a heavy truck with an engine older than 2010 anywhere in the state.

[Lee DeRaud]

The question is would California register it? It would make it a bit hard to move to California.

Leaving aside the heavy truck question, anyone moving to California can bring their car with them and register it here. They just have to show that it was registered in their previous state of residence.
Here's some info on the question: https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/upload...3/ffvr29-1.pdf (first question on second page)
Whether this will still be true in 15 years is anyone's guess...then again, that's true of federal emission standards as well.

[Jim Becker]

Leaving aside the heavy truck question, anyone moving to California can bring their car with them and register it here. They just have to show that it was registered in their previous state of residence.

That would make sense, especially for passenger vehicles and light trucks manufactured for a number of years given most vehicle manufacturers use the California standards across the line even for vehicles intended for sale in the rest of the country. Everything I've bought for a very long time automagically came with CA standard emissions support.

[Bill Dufour]

Currently in California a resident can bring a new car into the state only if it meets Califonia smog laws or is 49 state smog and at least 7,500 miles. A non-resident can bring in any car they own outside the state and get it registered. There are exemptions for military, divorce, cars stolen while out of state etc. As I read it the car can not come direct from out of the country.
Bil lD

[Jim Matthews]

If this only applies to the sale of new vehicles, then I see no reason why a California resident could not purchase a used petroleum powered vehicle in another state and register it in California.

I believe vehicles purchased in other states must pass California emissions testing to be registered in California.

[Jim Becker]

I'm not sure why this is a surprise....the EU has already moved in that direction and given the time frame, it shouldn't be a major issue technology wise. I'm sure there will be provisions for specialty vehicles that might not be best served by EV, too.

There is already meaningful work in progress relative to passenger planes that are EV or use alternative power methods, too. Airbus is one of the companies doing work on this kind of thing.

[David Bassett]

Sort of related, I watched some of the Le Mans coverage and one thing that caught my attention is the announcement of new car classes. There is an interim spec, which will reduce cost of the top prototypes (from obscene, to merely ridiculous ) and allow greater compatibility between sanctioning bodies. More interesting was the promise of a class of hydrogen cars and supporting efforts. They had a hydrogen prototype that ran respectable hot laps, but was described as already obsolete as design was progressing so quickly. They also mentioned a demo series that would be self contained. It sounded like the infrastructure was already in development, but press release.... The plan is to have container based solar powered hydrogen stations to fuel the hydrogen cars and to stage (demo?) races in places with only roads & water.

Coming back to the California situation, they said there are already pilot programs for this hydrogen technology in progress here. (And in UK, Europe, & parts of Asia.) One of the announcers had driven a Hyundai prototype in the UK. He said it drove well, just like a battery electric, but you just popped into the filling station where a fill was quick, very like gasoline. So with a 15 year deadline, several potential technologies, and pressing environmental concerns, this doesn't really seem an unreasonable goal.

[glenn bradley]

I think we all feel we should have been off fossil fuels for convenience vehicles years ago. I probably shouldn't be behind the wheel by 2035 so, more power to 'em

[Brian Tymchak]

Sort of related, I watched some of the Le Mans coverage and one thing that caught my attention is the announcement of new car classes. There is an interim spec, which will reduce cost of the top prototypes (from obscene, to merely ridiculous ) and allow greater compatibility between sanctioning bodies. More interesting was the promise of a class of hydrogen cars and supporting efforts. They had a hydrogen prototype that ran respectable hot laps, but was described as already obsolete as design was progressing so quickly. They also mentioned a demo series that would be self contained. It sounded like the infrastructure was already in development, but press release.... The plan is to have container based solar powered hydrogen stations to fuel the hydrogen cars and to stage (demo?) races in places with only roads & water.

I was thinking a few months ago that if there was an electric car racing series, innovation of ev tech would sky rocket.

[David Bassett]

I was thinking a few months ago that if there was an electric car racing series, innovation of ev tech would sky rocket.

F1 & LMP1's are hybrids on steroids right now. There's Formula-E (I think it's called, but I haven't tried to follow it), an all electric series that runs right now. Announcers have said things about it catching on and siphoning drivers from the F1 talent pool, so it's got some prestige and funding. Problem is range & power are pretty limited by current battery technology. A battery break through, or alternative (e.g. hydrogen fuel-cells), is need before its a practical for many uses.

What I haven't seen / heard about is US manufacturers participating in the racing series, which as you say drive (a lot of) the innovation. More technology we seem to be conceding to the rest of the world.

[Malcolm Schweizer]

In 15 years you won’t be able to afford fossil fuels anyway.