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    Iím with Fauci..

    Even before this I have always been so disappointed we as humans put so much value in the almighty dollar vrs whatís really of value in this world.

    A time like this I feel itís best for us to all do our best. I know it may be only my opinion and others with have contrary.

    But our best to me seems to be ďstay home at all costĒ the cards are gonna land at this point where they land for us all regarding $$$ itís not gonna not stink bad for any of us. Some worse than others, some less but we are all gonna suffer bad.

    But if we die or unknowingly or knowingly end up being the cause of someone else dying well then what all that financial self preservation gonna worth.

    About as much as I feel it was worth prior but just with a life and death consequence..

    Iím all for science, all for facts but people make mistakes and sometimes overcompensation is only logical. Iíd say this is one of those times.

    Crap the attention some of us pay to our dam joinery far exceeds that of the attention most pay to not only their health but the health and welfare of others.

    If you wanna argue that financial welfare is that important go ahead your not gonna crack this nut

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ole Anderson View Post
    Yea, but how many of those farm gloves go up to the armpit??? Good luck having someone take those!
    Unlike doing an procedure like an pregnancy untrasound on a horse which requires full arm insertion into the posterior orifice, extracting fecal samples from llamas is be done with normal nitrile gloves. And a friend does that for me - all I have to do is supply the gloves, lubricant, plastic sample bags, and a small cooler and ice pack to ship the samples to the testing lab.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John K Jordan View Post
    Unlike doing an procedure like an pregnancy untrasound on a horse which requires full arm insertion into the posterior orifice, extracting fecal samples from llamas is be done with normal nitrile gloves. And a friend does that for me - all I have to do is supply the gloves, lubricant, plastic sample bags, and a small cooler and ice pack to ship the samples to the testing lab.

    JKJ
    That's a good friend you have there.

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    I just hope that when all this is over, people can say "See, I told you it wasn't going to be so bad."

    That's better than "It was worse than what the experts said."

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    Couple of things I noticed re the data above. Several countries have figured out how to flatten the curve and whenever the news shows pictures of the people in those countries, the vast majority seem to be wearing masks. I know logically that masking is not the be all end all but the anecdotal evidence seems to support their use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas L Carpenter View Post
    ... anecdotal evidence seems to support their use.
    Perhaps. But, even if it's possible, it can't be responsible to do so while first line medical responders are still getting sick and dying because they don't have those basic supplies.

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    Totally agree, David. If the CDC does recommend masks, it's going to get messy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas L Carpenter View Post
    Totally agree, David. If the CDC does recommend masks, it's going to get messy.
    BTW I heard an interview with a specialist trying to explain the different recommendations. It seems undisputed wearing a mask helps keep you from spreading the virus, then it gets fuzzy. His suspicion was cultural differences. Wearing a mask affects your behavior, (putting it on and off,) and seems to increase your personal risk slightly. CDC wants to minimize infections total and culturally we are programmed to take care of ourselves and families first. The Asian countries want to avoid virus transmission from asymptomatic & pre-symptomatic victims and functions in a culture that values community good over personal benefit. His take: very close call, with cultural differences tipping the scale. (He didn't address practical differences, here for now the question seems moot anyway.)

  9. Austria starting tomorrow, requires all shoppers to wear masks. And they have a fairly low rate already.

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    This is the one time I am going to say delete if not allowed. Massive testing just doesn't seem to be in the cards for the US even though others have found it a necessity. I don't get it. Nobody is even talking about it. Except maybe the guest on Glenn Beck. Dr. Epstein. https://www.facebook.com/GlennBeck/v...4466607129846/
    Last edited by Ole Anderson; 03-31-2020 at 4:47 PM.
    NOW you tell me...

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    Today Dr. Fauci was interviewed and basically said once we have enough masks for the healthcare professionals, we may have to re-visit the benefits of having the rest of us use them. As you can imagine, there is now a ton of masks in the production pipeline.

    The head of China's CDC says the US has it all wrong not wearing masks. Whatever anyone might think about China, it certainly now appears that they managed the crisis very well, as did S. Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, and Hong Kong.

    A new Japanese study is putting forth a thesis that Covid-19 can spread through what are called micro-droplets. Larger droplets are emitted when people cough or sneeze. The larger droplets hang in the air for about 2-3 minutes before falling to the ground. Micro droplets can be released even through normal conversation and can hang in the air for hours. If this thesis is correct, then it means the best defense is isolation and/or wearing a mask to keep the virus out of the air in the first place.

    And even if this is not correct, I have not heard that a mask will make you any worse off, so even a zero downside argument supports wearing one (again, once healthcare workers have an adequate supply).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ole Anderson View Post
    Except maybe the guest on Glenn Beck. Dr. Epstein. https://www.facebook.com/GlennBeck/v...4466607129846/
    *COUGH* If your one of the hundredth of.a percentile that hasn't realized that Glenn Beck was destined to be the next branch dividian leader or Jim Jones... I feel for you. The guy has.been exiled for very solid reasons. I'm mind blown that he still has deciples. The mere fact that everyone on his show is programmed to speak like him, with the same cadence and radio/tv speak as him... is utterly horrifying. The guy is the epitome of a megalomaniac.
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    It is my understanding that there aren't enough test kits to go around and they are trying to use the limited number available in the most effective way possible. That isn't just random testing of whoever wants one. I also understand that a new test method has just been released that produces results within 13 minutes, rather than days, at the location of the sample collection rather than at some remote lab. It uses instrumentation that is already widely available. That should improve the test capability significantly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ole Anderson View Post
    This is the one time I am going to say delete if not allowed. Massive testing just doesn't seem to be in the cards for the US even though others have found it a necessity. I don't get it. Nobody is even talking about it. Except maybe the guest on Glenn Beck. Dr. Epstein. https://www.facebook.com/GlennBeck/v...4466607129846/

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    Mark, nutty hosts can have smart guests. And wasn't the guest a Doc ? And the story's we are hearing now are quite
    different from what we heard in the beginning. One of those is how fast China acted to warn others. Seems to be "pick
    from column A or B".

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    Glenn Beck's "expert" is a psychologist, not a medical doctor. He may be smart, even correct, but his credentials are bogus.

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