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    This country in three months?

    Health officials are not sure, but they seem hopeful that if you survive a covid19 attack you get some sort of immunity to another attack, and you don't carry the disease to give to somebody else. If that turns out to be true, how does our society work in, say, three months. We'll have half the population being survivors, and half as yet uninfected. The survivors can go back to work. Do the uninfected still stay home to avoid getting infected? Or do they deliberately expose themselves to a dangerous disease, so they can go back to earning a salary -- if they survive that is? Boy is that bizarre. And what happens to social distancing? Do the uninfected wear special clothing to tell everybody they're still social distancing, so stay away from them?

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    Good questions. Unfortunately there are no good answers at this time. Too much disinformation out there. We have a certain segment in our area that will not heed any warnings and still continue to party on as if they are immune to it. Unfortunately, our hospital tells a different story. We are a hotspot and the hospital is filled to capacity and are having to open up another icu to handle it. As usual, these nimrods carry on like they own the world. What they don't realize or are too stupid to understand is they may survive this, but they will give it to other family members who will not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamie Buxton View Post
    Health officials are not sure, but they seem hopeful that if you survive a covid19 attack you get some sort of immunity to another attack, and you don't carry the disease to give to somebody else. If that turns out to be true, how does our society work in, say, three months. We'll have half the population being survivors, and half as yet uninfected. The survivors can go back to work. Do the uninfected still stay home to avoid getting infected? Or do they deliberately expose themselves to a dangerous disease, so they can go back to earning a salary -- if they survive that is? Boy is that bizarre. And what happens to social distancing? Do the uninfected wear special clothing to tell everybody they're still social distancing, so stay away from them?
    IOW, what should be the symbol of the Branch Covidians? :^) Me, I'm sticking to the hermitage, got my sani in me pocket. Fighting toe to toe, eyeball to eyeball, with the fire ants.
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    So far all of the societies that have been able to curb the spread of corvid-19 did it by testing the population and keeping those infected apart from the rest of the population.

    Maybe the problem here is our tests are so beautiful, they are being kept on display instead of in the hands of medical professionals.

    The second part of the problem is the time between first learning of covid-19 and responding was squandered with rhetoric instead of action.

    This will not sort itself out. Once the rate of new infections drop to zero and people are no longer contagious, life can get back to normal. Hopefully before the virus cycles through the southern hemisphere a vaccine will be developed to keep us from having a recurrence next fall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Koepke View Post
    So far all of the societies that have been able to curb the spread of corvid-19 did it by testing the population and keeping those infected apart from the rest of the population.

    Maybe the problem here is our tests are so beautiful, they are being kept on display instead of in the hands of medical professionals.

    The second part of the problem is the time between first learning of covid-19 and responding was squandered with rhetoric instead of action.

    This will not sort itself out. Once the rate of new infections drop to zero and people are no longer contagious, life can get back to normal. Hopefully before the virus cycles through the southern hemisphere a vaccine will be developed to keep us from having a recurrence next fall.
    A hard lockdown, the testier the better, for as long as it takes, is the answer (from the best expert advice that I have found.) And the harder it gets, the shorter it will be.

    I am _amazed_ by the number of cars still on the road, heard off in the distance, even now. We're supposed to be under shelter-in-place restrictions.
    Last edited by Doug Dawson; 03-27-2020 at 4:00 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Koepke View Post
    Maybe the problem here is our tests are so beautiful, they are being kept on display instead of in the hands of medical professionals.

    The second part of the problem is the time between first learning of covid-19 and responding was squandered with rhetoric instead of action.

    jtk
    The tests here in the US are not just beautiful, they're tremendous!

    As to your comment on responsiveness, I think you're spot on. Some countries that have managed this very well include Singapore and Taiwan. They responded immediately, and even before the WHO started making noise, even at the risk of overreacting. These countries got their training the hard way during SARS so their governments were ready to respond an their citizens were on board, at least in terms of familiarity.
    Here in the US, it seems it's our first rodeo. At least it sure feels that way.
    Edwin

    P.S. As to the OP question, it's a valid one, but who can possibly answer it at this point?
    Last edited by Edwin Santos; 03-27-2020 at 4:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edwin Santos View Post
    The tests here in the US are not just beautiful, they're tremendous!

    As to your comment on responsiveness, I think you're spot on. Some countries that have managed this very well include Singapore and Taiwan. They responded immediately, and even before the WHO started making noise, even at the risk of overreacting. These countries got their training the hard way during SARS so their governments were ready to respond an their citizens were on board, at least in terms of familiarity.
    Here in the US, it seems it's our first rodeo. At least it sure feels that way.
    Edwin

    P.S. As to the OP question, it's a valid one, but who can possibly answer it at this point?
    Well, I can. As a society, we don't believe in human sacrifice, last time I checked.

    We've grown past throwing old people into volcanoes (although some young people are still volunteering and stepping up to the plate.)
    Last edited by Doug Dawson; 03-27-2020 at 4:48 PM.

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    Guess it also depends on perspective... The wife just got off the phone with her sister, who's son is an RN in Texas. WHERE in Texas we don't know, but he was telling his mom 'don't believe everything you hear'... But not because of the actual mis-info that is running amok, seems he's disillusioned because the hospital he works at has plenty of empty beds, masks and ventilators yet they're laying him off because there's nothing to do, to the point they may close the place temporarily. Obviously this hospital is NOT a big city place and likely the populace is hunkered down and nobody's sick at the moment. If he's not been glued to a TV in his off time, and many people aren't, then his perspective may be 'what's all the fuss about?'...

    Third hand from the wife, I don't know much else about the situation...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev Williams View Post
    Guess it also depends on perspective... The wife just got off the phone with her sister, who's son is an RN in Texas. WHERE in Texas we don't know, but he was telling his mom 'don't believe everything you hear'... But not because of the actual mis-info that is running amok, seems he's disillusioned because the hospital he works at has plenty of empty beds, masks and ventilators yet they're laying him off because there's nothing to do, to the point they may close the place temporarily. Obviously this hospital is NOT a big city place and likely the populace is hunkered down and nobody's sick at the moment. If he's not been glued to a TV in his off time, and many people aren't, then his perspective may be 'what's all the fuss about?'...

    Third hand from the wife, I don't know much else about the situation...
    Convey to your sister that your nephew should enjoy his free time while he can. The crap is hitting a distant fan, it may not take too long before it gets there. :^)

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    I question if I may have had COVID-19 already and it was diagnosed as Influenza. My rapid test for Influenza came back as negative and they didn't do the longer test for Influenza for some reason. The doctor simply said I had all the signs of Influenza and said the test is not 100%. I had shortness of breath and other symptoms that match up with COVID-19. This was back in January before any doctor would have the slightest thought of anyone having COVID-19 in the USA.

    Now, I figure I really did have Influenza as Influenza happens all the time. I'll never know for sure unless they somehow start testing people for exposure to COVID-19.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev Williams View Post
    Guess it also depends on perspective... The wife just got off the phone with her sister, who's son is an RN in Texas. WHERE in Texas we don't know, but he was telling his mom 'don't believe everything you hear'... But not because of the actual mis-info that is running amok, seems he's disillusioned because the hospital he works at has plenty of empty beds, masks and ventilators yet they're laying him off because there's nothing to do, to the point they may close the place temporarily. Obviously this hospital is NOT a big city place and likely the populace is hunkered down and nobody's sick at the moment. If he's not been glued to a TV in his off time, and many people aren't, then his perspective may be 'what's all the fuss about?'...

    Third hand from the wife, I don't know much else about the situation...
    Tell him to climb out of that hole and come to Florida. We'll hire him on the spot and show him what a real hospital is like.
    I'd really like to know what hospital system he works for so I can do some research on it of my own.
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    I'll see what I can find out next time the sisters talk, I'm curious at to his whereabouts...

    meanwhile, 3rd hand info being what it is, that I caught quickly in passing: after more talking with the wife, turns out I misinterpreted the 'laying him off and may close the hospital' thing- that was some sarcasm on his part, as he IS frustrated because they cut his hours due to not much happening, wherever he is...

    So how about that, a classic example of how misinformation can get started! And without any ulterior motives involved, wasn't on purpose. I admit my error, and stand corrected...please accept my apologies -

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev Williams View Post
    So how about that, a classic example of how misinformation can get started! And without any ulterior motives involved, wasn't on purpose. I admit my error, and stand corrected...please accept my apologies -

    (That wasn't so hard)
    I can think of a lot of people who could follow your example and one in particular. You know who I mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Dawson View Post
    I am _amazed_ by the number of cars still on the road, heard off in the distance, even now. We're supposed to be under shelter-in-place restrictions.
    I would only point out that there are some people (I am not one of them) that still have to work, that if they do not work they may not have food for themselves and family. They do not others to help them out or the local resources are so taxed they are of little help.

    There are those who don't care amd will never care about their actions and the consequences to others.

    There are plenty of people that just do not trust or believe the government.

    These things, and many others, explain the people out on the roads.

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    Traffic on the roads is way down locally. But, the list of "essential" businesses is extensive. And, I think you would be very surprised at what is involved in the supply chain to keep hospitals and grocery stores up and going. There are a lot of links in those supply chains.

    For example, my wife works for a decent-sized, regional electrical supply company. Essential? Much of the business probably isn't. But they do supply various repair parts to hospitals and factories. Then you need electricians to install them. Electricians need to get to work, but their vans break down. They need mechanics. Mechanics need auto parts. Auto parts stores need workers. And factories to make the parts. And warehouses to distribute them via truck drivers, and on and on...you get the picture. We've been a JIT global economy for many years now, so all those links need to be there because we don't have reserves of inventory in many durable good sectors.
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