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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik Loza View Post
    Steve, I had to read your post twice but bookmarked for future reference. Thanks for sharing.

    Erik
    I need an editor Erik, sometimes my writing is a bit, um, pedantic. Thanks for the compliment. Seeing your post made remember the part I need to order for my saw, off to do that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Selzer View Post
    Steve, thank you for the write up. Never knew anything about sliders until I got on this board. The more I read the more I think about digging along the house for an outside entrance to the basement to get a slider in the basement. Of course then I would have to get SWMBO to give up most of the basement to me. Any way this actual is a very good reason for buying a slider. I still won't give up my panel saws, SawStop or Radial Arm Saws, but now think a slider would be useful.
    Ron
    It'd be a great to have outside access to the shop anyway to!! You wouldn't regret a slider, they are quite a machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Rozmiarek View Post
    I need an editor Erik, sometimes my writing is a bit, um, pedantic. Thanks for the compliment. Seeing your post made remember the part I need to order for my saw, off to do that!
    Steve, I have a local customer with a big Kappa slider who just received some Airtight clamps from Mac and one of Brian Lamb's parallel cutting fences. I'll try to make it to his shop soon and take some pics. I like seeing all the tricks, too.

    Erik
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    Apologies for the snarky remark, now that I reread your post several times I have a little more context for a reply instead of a quick glance and a stupid reply.

    I mostly use my slider with solid although in the past mostly all sheet goods, a lot of times my solid processing is similar to yours, just using hand pressure and eyeballing for the kerf ( I think that's what you mean?).

    I have found that Pneumatic Clamps can help a tremendous amount, I wasn’t a total believer as I have always just held the wood in place and never had a problem. Once I built my Pneumatic clamps I would never go back, I don’t use them all the time like when breaking down full sheets but for solid wood they excel - the finished cuts are better, quick/easy to do angle cuts and safer too. I also have Felders parallel fence, haven’t had a need for it much but is useful. Photos of some setups below.

    1st photo I am using the rip fence as a bump stop set at the depth of the groove on this reclaimed cherry flooring so I can quickly rip them off.
    2nd photo is just a quick setup to to cut a bunch of angles on the same size blocks
    3rd photo I was just experimenting, I haven't had a need to do this

    (In the last photo with the feather boards, the clamp base was temporary, it was laminated solid oak to my surprise it was actually robust enough if I hadn’t got a machinist at work started on the aluminum ones I probably would have just used them).

    Also just to be clear these are not Mac’s clamps, his have more features, uses all premium materials and Mac provides product support like no other from what I have seen and read - you won’t find a more refined or well thought out one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Rozmiarek View Post
    There is lots of conversation about sliders, yes. Some of it even includes first hand real world experience and useful advice.
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    Last edited by Mark e Kessler; 01-31-2020 at 2:40 PM.

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    Mark -- Not to hijack the thread, but could you give a little more detail on the ZCI you made for your slider. I need to come up with something similar for mine.

    Thanks.
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    Chris, brilliant jig ! I think we all appreciate this benefit of a slider, i.e to straighten an edge, when the other side is not straight as well. Your jig allows the same... albeit, u still need equal space on each side of the saw as a slider will.

    My quesiton is... when you load the wood onto the slider, 70%+ of the weight of the slider is hanging off the TS. How do you support the jig so it's not constantly encumbered by the supports?

    I have to get a straight edge on hundreds of 2x4s to acheive a flat wall for sheet rock, for a staggered stud wall. So the loss of some of the 3.5" dimension is a non issue. I was thinking of using my single piece long Festool rail, but when the boards are not flat, this is problematic for a rail. Your slider on my cabinet saw might be the ideal solution...

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    I need to buy a new one, bought mine new 28 years ago What did you buy Steve, likes/dislikes? You can Messsage on FB if you would rather, sorry. Have been thinking about one of those Lamello gizmos, just picked up a couple more kitchens, almost no construction any more, and I keep coming up with real world uses for it as I do different things. If I get one I will get ahold of you and send you some made up joints to play with. Larry

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    Thanks Steve. I appreciate learning various techniques.

    I have had several sliders over the last 20 years, but have never used them for much more than sheet goods, and I am finally taking a few steps further into the slider world with a MM Combo machine I recently got. I have searched for any postings, or videos available, saving them as I found them.

    I can hardly wait to see your other 41 tutorials.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik Loza View Post
    Steve, I have a local customer with a big Kappa slider who just received some Airtight clamps from Mac and one of Brian Lamb's parallel cutting fences. I'll try to make it to his shop soon and take some pics. I like seeing all the tricks, too.

    Erik
    Hope you post some pics Erik! Always good to see how others approach the issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark e Kessler View Post
    Apologies for the snarky remark, now that I reread your post several times I have a little more context for a reply instead of a quick glance and a stupid reply.

    I mostly use my slider with solid although in the past mostly all sheet goods, a lot of times my solid processing is similar to yours, just using hand pressure and eyeballing for the kerf ( I think that's what you mean?).

    I have found that Pneumatic Clamps can help a tremendous amount, I wasn’t a total believer as I have always just held the wood in place and never had a problem. Once I built my Pneumatic clamps I would never go back, I don’t use them all the time like when breaking down full sheets but for solid wood they excel - the finished cuts are better, quick/easy to do angle cuts and safer too. I also have Felders parallel fence, haven’t had a need for it much but is useful. Photos of some setups below.

    1st photo I am using the rip fence as a bump stop set at the depth of the groove on this reclaimed cherry flooring so I can quickly rip them off.
    2nd photo is just a quick setup to to cut a bunch of angles on the same size blocks
    3rd photo I was just experimenting, I haven't had a need to do this

    (In the last photo with the feather boards, the clamp base was temporary, it was laminated solid oak to my surprise it was actually robust enough if I hadn’t got a machinist at work started on the aluminum ones I probably would have just used them).

    Also just to be clear these are not Mac’s clamps, his have more features, uses all premium materials and Mac provides product support like no other from what I have seen and read - you won’t find a more refined or well thought out one.

    No worries Mark, I'm not offended. Nice saw you have! The reason I was using the technique I posted was for speed. If I am going for perfect precision, especially on longer stock, I add a clamp or two to the carriage. I don't have air clamps, just the Felder manual ones. There was a pretty good pile of face frame to process for those cabinets I was working on, so I wanted to just set up once and not mess with anything. The way I posted allows that, and with very good speed. You could definitely use clamps instead of hand pressure. Your air clamps are faster than my manual ones, they wouldn't slow you down much once you got it setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Edgerton View Post
    I need to buy a new one, bought mine new 28 years ago What did you buy Steve, likes/dislikes? You can Messsage on FB if you would rather, sorry. Have been thinking about one of those Lamello gizmos, just picked up a couple more kitchens, almost no construction any more, and I keep coming up with real world uses for it as I do different things. If I get one I will get ahold of you and send you some made up joints to play with. Larry
    Hi Larry! This is a Felder CF741. It's a combo machine that I got years ago when I was in a smaller space. I would not go with combo again for a production shop, but it's fine for serious hobby type work. I saw your post on the Lamello thread and have been pondering the same. If you do get one, heck yes I'd like to see some of what it does. Expensive little gadgets, want to make sure they aren't just dust magnets in the shop. Last year for me was all remodels and additions, not much cabinet shop time, this year has already made me tired of being in my windowless shop. Funny how things change year to year.

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    Put some windows in your shop! But I know what you mean, when the temps get down in the 0 range I have styrofoam covers I put on the inside till spring, drives me nuts.

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    Steve, do you by chance use a power feeder on your machine? Reason I ask because one of my local guys took delivery of his KF not too long ago and ordered the tipper bracket with a gas piston. There apparently are two versions of tipper bracket. One with piston (newer) and the old style, which I assumed they all were. Anyhow, we got this piston-assisted one installed and you can literally swing over a 4-wheel feeder with one had. It was unbelievable.

    Erik
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    Quote Originally Posted by Will Blick View Post
    Chris, brilliant jig ! I think we all appreciate this benefit of a slider, i.e to straighten an edge, when the other side is not straight as well. Your jig allows the same... albeit, u still need equal space on each side of the saw as a slider will.

    My quesiton is... when you load the wood onto the slider, 70%+ of the weight of the slider is hanging off the TS. How do you support the jig so it's not constantly encumbered by the supports?
    I positioned my SawStop with 8' of out feed clearance without having to open my garage door. I have about 60" of outfeed support beyond the blade. If I need more outfeed I have to open the garage door and use a support roller.

    For the infeed side, I purchased one of the scissor roller stands from Woodcraft ($200). It was expensive, but it has come in handy for ripping sheet goods as well. I made some leg extensions to give it a bit more height for resawing support on my bandsaw.

    I can back this away from the saw and comfortably support 12', even though my jig is not long enough for that.





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    Sure, I used 19mm BB and cut the “L” shape on the saw. I used the one that came with the saw as the template to drill the hole locations and route the curves using double stick tape, I just used a tap for the set screws. I took the riving knife off and ran the blade up through the blank I then took it lowered the blade all the way installed the original insert flipped the zci face down adjusted the rip fence so the kerf lined up and raised the blade up to extend the kerf for the riving knife. Probably safer to do it with a jigsaw though. Here are a few extra pics

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Bain View Post
    Mark -- Not to hijack the thread, but could you give a little more detail on the ZCI you made for your slider. I need to come up with something similar for mine.

    Thanks.
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