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Thread: New Cermark "Ultra" coming in February

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    New Cermark "Ultra" coming in February

    I don't sell the stuff, I just keep them in business, and to be honest, I've been getting very weary of the dark gray results I've been getting for a couple of years now with the LMM-6000 I've been using. And I'm only able to get 'dark' gray with 2 of my 4 machines. I have a pile of 'bankrupt' SS plates I made several years ago, I used a couple of them awhile back to test some LMM-14 along side the 6000 I use, AND I was testing 2 machines: the "TESTING" engraving was done with my LS-100 machine, my 900 did the 'gravograph' line...

    These are 2 different plates, I flipped them end over end between the 2 plates to equalize the lighting angles...
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    First- my 900 engraves darker than the 100, most apparent with the LMM6000.
    The LMM14, the 100 is a bit darker but the 900 is lighter, they're almost equal-
    -which is worse in my opinion and why I still use the 6000.
    But the MVW plates are BLACK! They were done with my old 25w Universal. And my 900 made them just as black.

    Every since they changed the formula, I can only cut it half as much as before, I used go nearly 4:1 DNA, now any more than 2:1 and it's too lean. And the new version has never been as black, and seems to be getting worse instead of better. FWIW, the GCC Explorer does just as black as my 900. The Triumph engraves lighter, much like the 100. I have four machines and can only Cermark with 2 of them. But the problem with my LS-100 is the lens; I swapped in the 900's lens tube once and the mark was every bit as dark as the 900... I bought a couple of ebay lenses, to no avail. But I just now bought a II-VI lens off ebay, hoping it'll do the trick. Just wondering if these cheap II-VI's are just knock-offs like the counterfeit 5200 chillers, or the real deal... Guess I'll find out!

    So, here's what I found about the new Cermark, I just hope it's half as better as they say it is. Important to ME I've highlighted in Red.
    New CerMark Ultra

    The CerMark Research & Development team is pleased to announce the approaching release of a new CerMark coating. This product should be available for sale around the end of February.
    This new coating is formulated to work on all typical laser markable hard surfaces such as metals, glass, ceramics (glazed or unglazed), stone, brick (glazed & unglazed), slate and more. This formula is not intended for painted items, wood or plastics.

    The new laser marking material will raise the bar considerably for laser bonding speed, versatility, quality and durability.

    Fastest marking speed possible
    Preliminary testing shows many customers should be able to mark stainless steel with their laser system set at 100% marking speed with only needing as little as 40 watts of CO2 power.
    This coating will also create deep black marks at a very wide range of laser power and speed settings.

    Much improved glass marking
    There is a much greater ease of glass marking at a wider range of settings and much less coating thickness will be required.
    Same application/handling qualities as CerMark LMM-6000
    The liquid version can still be thinned with alcohol based liquids to allow for fast drying time. The dilution ratios will remain the same as LMM-6000 and LMM-14, 1:1 for spraying and 2:1 for brush on applications. Once dry it will not rub off on your fingers while handling it. This will allow you to coat items and box or stack them for marking at a later date.

    No hard settling
    Formulated to eliminate clumping in liquid form and spray cans which allows for easy mixing before use.


    Improved spray can design
    A new specially designed valve system will be introduced as part of the new coating spray can allowing for better performance and eliminating the need to store can upside down.
    Will not stain (tarnish) sensitive metals
    Will not stain or tarnish sensitive metals such as brass, copper, and some other forms of steel.


    The new CerMark product should be available Q1 of 2020 in both aerosol & liquid providing a variety of application methods for our customers.
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    I actually was able to talk with the owner Mike on the phone when I was having some issues with it. He was able to help me get a nice black mark again.

    I am most excited about being able to run at 100% speed.

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    I'm actually wanting it to use on aluminum. No settings I've tried work on any aluminum that I've tried with any of the current materials. 14 and 6000 and the laserbond stuff (which is so NASTY to use I won't even try any more)
    I've had several projects that I had to let pass as my laser just won't bond it at all. Scrubs off leaving shadow.
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    For the most part I've had pretty good luck with Cermark on aluminum-
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    My 80w glass Triumph did this engraving. 2 of my 3 RF machines don't have the power needed, but my LS-100 will work, just to run slow and 600 res for lots of overlap...

    The one time I didn't have the best luck was during the holidays, I lasered the end cap of a power amp for a friend, using 6061 aluminum I'd bought for these amps over 10 years ago. The aluminum was stored uncovered, subjected to coolant overspray, dust, dirt and everything else around here. It was pretty cruddy. I ran a green Scotchbrite over with it some cleaner spray, wiped it off, it looked pretty good...but what I didn't do was give it a good DNA wash and scrub. It looked good, but it was scrubbing off with a magic eraser. Result when I stopped scrubbing was a nice consistent burn, but a very middle-road gray, nothing close to black (where've I heard that before? ), and I got the feeling if I kept scrubbing I could just take it all off. All other aluminum that's worked nicely has been 'fresh'. The end cap piece, after 10 years of sitting probably had a right thick layer of oxide buildup that wasn't removed with little bit of prep I gave it, and I assume that the oxide prevented the Cermark from bonding...

    The pieces in the pic were Chem-filmed, so no oxide layer to worry about. I've done over 1500 aluminum panels for one customer, 2-character "J" numbers on 12-hole plates, these panels are heavily sanded and not treated, and I get them in 400-piec batches, fresh from their metal shop. I just wipe down with some DNA before the Cermark.
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    FOUR - CO2 lasers
    THREE - fiber lasers
    ONE - vinyl cutter
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    watching...interesting. Thanks for the info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Me,from my original post View Post
    ... I bought a couple of ebay lenses, to no avail. But I just now bought a II-VI lens off ebay, hoping it'll do the trick. Just wondering if these cheap II-VI's are just knock-offs like the counterfeit 5200 chillers, or the real deal... Guess I'll find out!
    So I got my new II-VI lens in the mail the other day, and whether it's a knock-off or the real deal-- BEST 30 bucks I've spent in a LONG time!

    Big ID plate I just lasered with the new lens, with the same test plates on top for reference:
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    --Like night & day, MUCH blacker, I am HAPPY!
    I'm gonna get 2 of these for every machine! If I can get the Triumph to laser darker...
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    ELEVEN - rotary cutter tool machines
    FOUR - CO2 lasers
    THREE - fiber lasers
    ONE - vinyl cutter
    CASmate, Corel, Gravostyle


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