Thank you for your welcome to th forum. I've got everything g set up as per advice (after all, there's only one way to seat the blade so it matches up with the seating mechanism. And my other 60 1/2 and 9 1/2s are setup and tuned great and are among my go-to hand tools. That's why I can't figure out what's going on with these. I may buy a Hock iron for each so I'll know at least I'm working with a correct set. But the irons I have match my working ands. Could it be the honing angle? Both are roughly 30 degrees...