Okay, I saw that the VCarve was version 8.5. So looking at what is what on the Vectric website and now everything is clear as mud. After looking at their comparisons I realize that it's not just version 8.5. It has to be a version of something else. What's everyone's preferred version? I will have to update on exactly what program it has when I get it home and hooked up/fired up. So I'm probably premature on posting this. I doubt that it has Aspire and it's a huge jump in cost from Pro to Aspire. I'm probably going to have lot's of dumb questions so I hope I don't wear you out. Okay after reading on the CAMaster website it appears that VCarve Pro was standard.