Newton E30 edge sander

[Mark e Kessler]

Anyone have any experience or knowledge of this sander? Looks like its a late 40’s early 50’s machine. Worth $750-1k?

http://vintagemachinery.org/pubs/detail.aspx?id=2944

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[Matt Day]

That is my quest edge sander for my small shop, been hunting for one for a while.

Whether it’s worth it to you is up to you. But $750 would probably be my upper limit unless it’s been well cared for and maintained and ready to run.

[jack duren]

Maybe a great sander is it runs correctly. Now if it breaks down can it be repaired or does it become the next parts machine for the next one that breaks down... if your a cabinet maker it's used a lot and can't break down..

[Matt Day]

Good points Jack. I want one for its size, and because I like vintage machinery. If I needed it to put bread on the table I’d pick something else.

[Rob Charles]

Until your post, I was unfamiliar with this sander. In looking at the sales brochure PDF, it has great features. About the only negatives appear to be" 1) the relatively short platen length & 2) listed only as a 3 phase. But, it you do not need the length it does not matter. I like the table features, dual motors, ability to rotate, & the ability to also use as a spindle sander with various size spindles. Depending upon the area, I can understand how a complete oscillating model in single phase (if there is such a version or conversion) version in very good condition with the interchangeable spindles could sell in that price range. I suspect that price range might be high for a 3 phase &/or a non-oscillating one in lesser condition.

[Darcy Warner]

They are great little Sanders. Mostly made from off the shelf parts, super simple machines. They fetch about 1800 for a plug and play machine on the used retail end.

[Mark e Kessler]

Could it run on a vfd? Me no have 3P... I think I might offer $750 its about 2 hrs from me. Looks like it is built like a beast for the size, i like that it has an 8” belt and its compact size.

mark

They are great little Sanders. Mostly made from off the shelf parts, super simple machines. They fetch about 1800 for a plug and play machine on the used retail end.

[Darcy Warner]

Could it run on a vfd? Me no have 3P... I think I might offer $750 its about 2 hrs from me. Looks like it is built like a beast for the size, i like that it has an 8” belt and its compact size.

mark

Yes you can. A fuji vfd is about 225 bucks to run it.

Cool newton fact, there are 4 holes inside base that with the right caster, it will sit a 1/2" off the ground and move easy.

[Rob Charles]

Could it run on a vfd? Me no have 3P... I think I might offer $750 its about 2 hrs from me. Looks like it is built like a beast for the size, i like that it has an 8” belt and its compact size.

mark

I did not realize that a VFD could simultaneously run 2 motors of different ratings (per the Newton brochure 3 hp for the sander & 1/3 hp for the oscillating mech.). Can all VFDs do that, or does it take a unique type?

[John Sincerbeaux]

I really don’t know that answer but a 3 ph converter converts 1ph to 3 ph for a machine to use It however it was designed (single or multiple motors).
A VFD does the same thing, no?

[John Sincerbeaux]

On a separate note, when I first started looking for an edge sander, I discovered the Newton. I liked everything about it especially the oscillating head which I think is superior to belt oscillating machines. I couldn’t find a Newton at the time but the features stuck with me in what I wanted in a sander. I ended up buying a Kundig Uniq which really is very similar to the Newton except the price of course.
If I were in the market for an edge sander I would be all over the sander in the ad. I would go through it, paint it, and use it daily. Edge sanders are “fabricators” not just for edges.

[Mark e Kessler]

You could run both with one Vfd, but if you want to control the speed individually you would need 2 Vfd's. would be nice to control the speed of the belt but doing that with one Vfd would also slow the oscillation.

I did not realize that a VFD could simultaneously run 2 motors of different ratings (per the Newton brochure 3 hp for the sander & 1/3 hp for the oscillating mech.). Can all VFDs do that, or does it take a unique type?

[Rob Charles]

Hopefully, these follow-up question is not too far off track:
1. When sizing for multiple motors, is is sufficient to size for the larger? Or does one size for the combined? (Understood that in this application, the 1/3 hp oscillation motor effect is probably negligible).
2. When using a single VFD for 2 motors, can they be independently switched? Or must start/stop simultaneously?
3. Any cautions on ramp up/ramp down speeds when programming?

Thanks. I have learned something today.

You could run both with one Vfd, but if you want to control the speed individually you would need 2 Vfd's. would be nice to control the speed of the belt but doing that with one Vfd would also slow the oscillation.

[Mark e Kessler]

1. Need to size for both, so if the main is 3 and the oscillation is 1/3 I would get a 4hp
2. Independent, start the VFD 1st (obviously) then one or the other then the other one...
3. Not sure on that

Hopefully, these follow-up question is not too far off track:
1. When sizing for multiple motors, is is sufficient to size for the larger? Or does one size for the combined? (Understood that in this application, the 1/3 hp oscillation motor effect is probably negligible).
2. When using a single VFD for 2 motors, can they be independently switched? Or must start/stop simultaneously?
3. Any cautions on ramp up/ramp down speeds when programming?

Thanks. I have learned something today.

[Larry Edgerton]

I saw that one for sale, been looking for a slightly smaller edge sander, was just a bit short for what I want, but a nice looking unit. found a video of one working, slick.

900 pounds is easy, just have to think it through. A neighbor with a 30hp tractor with a loader could easily lift it off the trailer. I paid a Home Depot driver to lift a 3300# shaper off my trailer that my tractor could not handle. $50 and he set it inside my shop, rolled on pipes from there.