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  1. #61
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    Just me Malcolm. Decidedly not a pro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcolm McLeod View Post
    +1 - - Never seen roofers not leave a mess on the ground..?? (No offence to pro roofers, but I've just never seen it happen.)

    Jon, you must know someone important.
    I gotta defend the roofers now. When we had our roof done they stripped the entire roof, installed new ice shield, drip edges & shingles in a single day. And they left nothing on the ground, except for a small piece of shingle I found deep in the hedge 4 years later. They were not the lowest bid.

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    Exciting times building a shop. One thing I did on my shop was to arrange the 110V outlets hi & low every 4' around the perimeter. I did not and do not have a firm lay-out for almost anything in the space. With the hi/low I do not have to worry about "am I going to cover up the plugs?" I also have multiple 30 and 50 amp plugs for the welder/plasma and the 220 saws, etc. It was pricey, but the space works really well. Given that you have a basement this may not be as important as you can alter the lay-out. Thanks for following up on your progress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Frederick View Post
    Exciting times building a shop. One thing I did on my shop was to arrange the 110V outlets hi & low every 4' around the perimeter. I did not and do not have a firm lay-out for almost anything in the space. With the hi/low I do not have to worry about "am I going to cover up the plugs?" I also have multiple 30 and 50 amp plugs for the welder/plasma and the 220 saws, etc. It was pricey, but the space works really well. Given that you have a basement this may not be as important as you can alter the lay-out. Thanks for following up on your progress.
    Jack, good segue into the next posts.

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    The comment i heard most from friends dropping by was, “wow that’s a lot of outlets”. Other than 15 amp overhead lighting circuits, all 120v circuits are 20 amp, and many are divided to have no adjacent receptacle on the same circuit if possible. In addition to other dedicated outlets for 240v machines, and several 3 phase feeds for my table and band saws, old GE RAS, Monarch lathe and future mill, plus some other tools stored in the rat hole.

    For some one reason can’t get more pics to post, so will submit this and try with another post.
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    Here are the 200 amp sub panel, connected to main house service on garage wall with a shutoff switch outside shop, and the three phase load panel on the right.

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    Gremlins have invaded my iPad and I can’t get the main sub panel pic to load, but it looks like it shows up in the previous post now as a thumbnail.

    i took multiple pics on every wall and ceiling, on advice read here, to save in case I need to know exactly where a circuit is in the future.
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    Yet more posting issues, but in the above thumbnails you can see the section of wall which gets most comments from visitors. Like perhaps many of you, despite my best efforts to run a one-platform rechargeable tool shop, I’ve somehow managed to collect DeWalt, Bosch, Hitachi, some both 12v and 20v which are not always interchangeable. So this is my charging station. I put the six quad receptacles on alternating circuits and switched one half of them to my main overhead lights. The others I may run on timers. I don’t like leaving lithium chargers on when I’m out.

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    Woo hoo, it went through this time.

    Pics also show lots of high receptacles and ceiling ones, for powered speakers, electric cord reel, ceiling fan, switched receptacles if I decide in future I need some more ventilation with suspended fans, and for Jet filtration unit.

    Some of the metal j boxes on the wall will be left empty with conduit to basement for future changes, plus there are some circuit runs in the basement terminated in j boxes for future floor receptacles.

    Thats all for now. Thx.
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    Great progress, Jon. Curious how are you supplying/generating 3-phase for your shop?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Bain View Post
    Great progress, Jon. Curious how are you supplying/generating 3-phase for your shop?

    -Tom
    Was going to post that next: American Rotary ADX 15. Here’s the idler in the basement.

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    Control panel is between subpanel and three phase load center.
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    Looking good Jon. Having the basement is going to provide a lot of flexibility. Raining buckets in Montana, and trying to snow some, as well.
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    Kris

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    Batt wall and blown ceiling insulation:

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    And ceiling drywall:

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    Got some help hanging the carriage doors. With 8’ x 4.5’ x 3 1/2” thickness, suckers were pretty heavy. I used strap hinges from Richards-Wilcox, designed for heavy doors such as for zoos.

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    Nicely done. Jealousy meter is passing 60%.
    Molann an obair an saor.

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    I choose to go with 1/2” SmartSide paneling instead of drywall, T1-11, or regular plywood for the inside walls. Mainly b/c I got a great discounted price (better than plywood) from the lumber yard plus I liked the way it looked and the primer coat color was ok with me. No extra painting which is about the only thing in the build I dislike (and also suck at). No matter how many hours I carefully mask w tape etc it never looks even close to a pro job.

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    I used the Blind Mark system for cutouts after determining that, at least for me, I had no feel with my RoboZip in telling panel from plastic box. Arrows were added by me, since the regular ones were way too faint, after messing up early once and leaving a hole in the panel above a receptacle

    My eldest son showed up for a quick visit, so after a “shop tour”, we of course put him to work!

    Panels were screwed to the studs to allow removal in future if needed, but we used brad nails at a few spots to first tack them in place.

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    Afterwards I ran a piece of quarter round around the bottom the whole time asking myself, “really, this is a shop?” Some day I may get around to trimming the windows and doors. But I draw the line at ceiling crown
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    That looks REALLY good, Jon! I hear you on the crown molding. Of course, you could do the simple quarter round just to have a completely clean edge and symmetry with the bottom of the walls. LOL Window trim can be simple flat stock with or without mitered corners and you don't really need to do formal sills in a shop, IMHO. That should be able to be done pretty quickly and inexpensively. That's going to be a wonderful space to work in!
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    Basement lighting. I used the Costco Feit LED fixtures discussed here several times.

    Thanks Jim B for the original post. Seemed appropriate to post today as these are back on sale at Costco online.

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