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    Quote Originally Posted by Rod Sheridan View Post
    Brent, the cutter comes from the manufacturer with instructions on how to use it in both configurations, and carries the MAN rating.

    The manufacturer took care of all that for me...........Rod.
    Do they supply instructions for using it in a table saw?

    I expect they just set the projection to work with both round-form and non-round-form to allow it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brent stanley View Post
    Do they supply instructions for using it in a table saw?

    I expect they just set the projection to work with both round-form and non-round-form to allow it.
    Hi Brent, it doesn't have any instructions for table saw use..............Regards, Rod.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rod Sheridan View Post
    Hi Brent, it doesn't have any instructions for table saw use..............Regards, Rod.
    What's interesting is they don't advertise on their web sites that their adjustable groovers are suitable for splitting and forming tenons. They have an adjustable slitter they say is suitable for that, and a new adjustable rebate block that is good for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brent stanley View Post
    What's interesting is they don't advertise on their web sites that their adjustable groovers are suitable for splitting and forming tenons. They have an adjustable slitter they say is suitable for that, and a new adjustable rebate block that is good for that.
    Yeah, the catalogue is a bit difficult to navigate for some items. This is the one I have.........regards, Rod.

    http://us.feldershop.com/en-US/en-US...ers-RB-HW.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rod Sheridan View Post
    Yeah, the catalogue is a bit difficult to navigate for some items. This is the one I have.........regards, Rod.

    http://us.feldershop.com/en-US/en-US...ers-RB-HW.html
    Yes, by slitter I mean slotter! Terminology eh?

    I guess that would mean the adjustable groovers are not suitable for making tenons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brent stanley View Post
    Yes, by slitter I mean slotter! Terminology eh?

    I guess that would mean the adjustable groovers are not suitable for making tenons.

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    That's an extremely broad statement being completely and entirely determined by what setup you used to cut tenon with an adjustable groover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brent stanley;2895177

    I guess that would mean the adjustable [I
    groovers[/I] are not suitable for making tenons.

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    Why would they not be suitable for tenons? Once again I will ask about your experience with this. Have you used adjustable groovers for tenoning?
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Kee View Post
    That's an extremely broad statement being completely and entirely determined by what setup you used to cut tenon with an adjustable groover.
    I'm not talking about all adjustable groovers, I'm just talking about theirs. I am just making an assumption based on the fact that they went out of their way to mention how you COULD use their slotters AND their adjustable rebate block for cutting tenons, and chose NOT to say they about their adjustable groovers. It could be an oversight, I don't know, but there could be some aspect of the design that doesn't permit it. The pictures are limited and I only held a Stark groover in my hands once years ago, and I wasn't looking for that. I am looking for another adjustable groover, so it would be nice if someone from Felder or Stark could verify.....maybe Rod will check for us from the inside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Calhoon View Post
    Why would they not be suitable for tenons? Once again I will ask about your experience with this. Have you used adjustable groovers for tenoning?
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    I'm just trying to figure it out for myself Joe, I have no idea. I just know that on their US and UK web sites they don't mention tenoning with their adjustable groovers. They DO mention it with their "slotters" and their adjustable rebate block. I'm just trying to figure out if that's an oversight or if there's a reason. If I held them in my hands I might be able to figure it out, but I just have their fuzzy web site pictures to go by.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Calhoon View Post
    Why would they not be suitable for tenons? Once again I will ask about your experience with this. Have you used adjustable groovers for tenoning?
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    I have used adjustable groovers for tenoning, but for clarity what we were talking about was splitting the adjustable groover for tenoning, and no I haven't done that. I essentially just used it as a rebate block when I discovered that my rebate blocks were both at my other shop. Saved me a trip!
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    That’s what I thought, no experience...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Calhoon View Post
    That’s what I thought, no experience...
    I used tenon discs instead.

    My objective for that job was a centred tenon and flipping to do one side each provided that.

    If you look at the context of the conversation, I wasn't referring to all manufacturers of all adjustable groovers.....it was the Felder ones. For some reason they sell a whole separate product that makes grooves but ALSO is advertised as making tenons. These are the ones Rod has......I'm just wondering why. It's a legitimate question that may have a good reason, or it may just be an oversight from their web developers.....who knows.
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    Rod or Joe when you divide the halves of your groover and invert to do tenons ,what do you use to space them ? Is it the shims only or have you ever used the spacer collars from your shaper spindle. I was looking at mine today in the shop and I have 5,10 and 20 mm right there. Could they be used in this way ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Kees View Post
    Rod when you divide the halves of your groover and invert to do tenons ,what do you use to space them ? Is it the shims only or have you ever used the spacer collars from your shaper spindle. I was looking at mine today in the shop and I have 5,10 and 20 mm right there. Could they be used in this way ?
    He doesn't have one of their groovers, he has on of their slotters which is a different set of tooling and is build differently if you look at the pictures. I have a call into Felder to see if their tooling set they call their "groovers" can also be used this way. I talked to another manufacturer and they confirmed that their adjustable groovers cannot be used for forming tenons so I guess it pays to check! Terminology can be the death of us! The ability to use them as tenoners is a huge selling point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Kees View Post
    Rod or Joe when you divide the halves of your groover and invert to do tenons ,what do you use to space them ? Is it the shims only or have you ever used the spacer collars from your shaper spindle. I was looking at mine today in the shop and I have 5,10 and 20 mm right there. Could they be used in this way ?
    Mike,
    Nothing wrong with using the shaper spacers but you really need a assortment of shims to fine tune. Normally you get 0.1 mm, 0.3mm, 0.5, 1mm then even mm up to 20 or 30mm depending on range of adjustment. As you buy tools you will end up with a collection. And you can buy the separate if needed. If you need thinner than 0.1mm to fine tune you can make your own from paper easily.
    Here is my spacer drawer with some of the radius and grooving inserts for my Garniga tooling.

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    The nice thing about Euro shafts is the spacers are usually 10, 20, 30, 40 and 50mm we use them all the time as spacers.

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    I have setup sheets for all my adj groovers showing both grooving and tenoning setups. You can dial in what shims are needed to achieve certain thickness and so on. On the T26 shaper I can set up a groove or tenon accurately without a test cut and repeat settings can be stored in the machine. If you are savvy on a manual machine it is pretty quick also with some setting aids.
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