Originally Posted by Patrick Walsh
True story, you can sell stuff again. When you leave it, it won't take half of your stuff.
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True story, you can sell stuff again. When you leave it, it won't take half of your stuff.
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If you have a moulder running, the number of shapers you really need drops by a couple. I still think every shaper should have a tilting spindle.
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Agreed. That's why I said in the previous post, real production shops don't have many shapers.
I need to figure out where the heck I'm going to put my moulder and get my dust collection sorted out to handle the chip load. Sitting in the corner doesn't do me much good.
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'Bought 16 minutes and 15 seconds.
I keep wondering how fast 10-20 of the same size door would take. I am betting he would average under 13 minutes per. My favorite part of the video is the ROS use, it is more like I use a ROS than the "proper" I have a week to finish the sanding on my honey-do table FWW magazine way.
I would like to have a second or third shaper but I really don't have the room and if push came to shove I would rather put all the money into one better shaper. Don't get me wrong I don't like the extra setup time but I do so little with each setup even 3 wouldn't keep me from setting up most times I use them. I do think hard every time I see a nice old iron shaper with no fence that sells for near nothing that I would love to have one to leave setup with a Byrd head for pattern cutting. It doesn't need to have any modern fancy controls and could be left with a completely open table and I wouldn't have to worry about taking the table off and putting it back on.
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I feel the same way.
I made one "set" of cabinets about 15 years ago, and I have a set to make this spring for our kitchen. Total of about 14 doors. (I don't do doors on lowers.) These will be the last cabinets I'll probably ever make as a "set". Martin makes more doors in one day than I will in my life.
I still have vanity or two to do, and we're about ready to redo the upstairs bath, but that's small. We'll also be redoing all of the windows in the house, so that will take some time.( Maybe I should start looking for a used W&H moulder?) My wife is also talking having me make all new interior doors, so I don't know where that will lead???
They'll always be the odd," boat work" I seem to get caught up in, or someone wanting to recreate a 300 year old piece of trim, but that's just fun work. I don't have to make $$$$ doing it, and it helps me rationalize having all of this equipment.
Last edited by Mike Cutler; 12-28-2018 at 9:45 AM.
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If space is an issue and you can only fit one shaper, the Felder F700, Minimax T55, or the new Robland shaper sold by Martin are a good compromise. Tilt spindle, sliding table, good fence, and enough size and build without being so large that the sliding table sits far away from the spindle. You will need a rpc as all with run three phase but those machines are versatile and changeover isn't too brutal.All will handle one pass profiling which is efficient but don't take up any more room than a PM 27 but are a huge step up. The used market runs 3-5K and lightly used machines pop up as commercial shops tend towards multiple heavier machines and hobby guys don't stress them. The SCM T110 is a nice size too but not tilt if I remember right. Dave
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Since we are going afield on the shaper question anyone have experience with the Cantek shapers? There is a practically new SS512TB near me. It has a tilting spindle, sliding table, 7.5hp and a finger fence similar to the Aigner.
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I keep saying Cantek is a good value. The fit and finish is usually not great, but they seem to perform well and are over built from what I've experienced with other machines. I'd take a Cantek over many brands. I have zero direct experience with their shapers though.
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I think they are pretty comparable to Northtech stuff.
Kinda introductory industrial, like the extreema stuff.
It's an odd segment in the marketplace for sure.
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Dave never seen a T110 or 120 or 130 with Tilt. 150 and 160 yes.
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Rod, I would really like to hear your recommendations on the tooling you just described. Currently looking at Whitehill combi head for my PM shaper....but I need some more tooling advice. Not trying to hijack the thread, I am sure it will be helpful to the OP too.
Thanks!
Hi Nick, With the combi head you'll get two of the above - a shear cut rebate block with scribes and a limiter head that can take different knives depending on the block you run.....for much less outlay than separate blocks with zero compromise in performance or practicality. If you're milling abrasive materials or manmade materials, Whitehill can tip knives in carbide for you if needed.
Adjustable groovers are fantastic but can be pricey and which size range(s) you get would depend on what you do but remember, knives to form any groove can be made for the Euroblock too though of course it won't be adjustable and the groove depth will be limited by the projection limitations of the knife stock. You might also want a panel raiser if you do that work.
What are the rpm options for your machine?
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Absolutely.........
My yearning to obtain a Shaper cooled off over the last couple of days. I did feel like I finally got to understand the 3 phase/VFD requirements opening up the possibility of more used commercial grade machine availability.
I also now realize, I would not buy a Shaper unless I could compliment it with a power feeder.
Next phase is to really understand the cutter heads available, etc.. This is completely new territory for me. I have a ShopFox moulding machine and have used it to make plantation shutter louvers successfully, so I'm familiar with interchangeable blades concept.
But at this point, my budget or in reality, the amount I was thinking of spending, appears to be about 50% below what is needed to obtain a setup that I think I would be comfortable/satisfied with.
So this leaves me in a bit of a dilemma, but I would still like to continue to absorb your knowledge and opinions.
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This would cover most home shop needs, from furniture to cabinetry and millwork.
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Regarding cost, the last two feeders I picked up were $50 and $400. The latter included a free 5hp sliding table shaper...
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Jared
If those are your cutter heads, I'd ask how you like that Amana spiral jointing head. I've been looking at getting one. Some real world feedback would be appreciated.
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