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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Bender View Post
    It is one my father had but it would have been new before 1950 I think. I can only read some of the maker's mark on the plate and some of this may be wrong. I have used * for unreadable letters.

    Top line in large print, hard to read ***NNTPTAC

    In the middle in small print TRAIN

    And in the middle pretty clear WARRANTED

    And on the bottom in large print and clear NEW HAVEN CON
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    Rob Writes:

    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Paul View Post
    Tom, the only saw I know of that has a skew back blade with a pseudo lambs tongue handle is Geo. Bishop's No 115 "Cincinnati Saw Co".
    Saw Manufacturers frequently provided saws to Hardware companies, with blades etched for the Customer's business. Perhaps your saw is a Bishop saw made specially for a New Haven hardware store ?
    see https://geobishopsaws.blogspot.com/2017/01/no115-cincinnati-saw-company.html?view=flipcard
    Rob, this is an excellent observation and triggered a random neuron to fire in my head this morning as I was thinking about this saw. I remembered that Erv Schaffer, in his excellent book "Hand Saw Makers of North America" listed all the hardware stores that resold saws from other makers (they are on pages 45-48 for those who have the book). I didn't see any hardware store except for Sargent operating out of New Haven. I'm sure Erv's list is not all inclusive, but considering the volume that would have been required to purchase a run of saws for custom etching, it's not unreasonable to assume that Sargent in fact sold this saw.

    Further, below is the entry for Sargent in Erv's book, page 47:

    sargent.jpg

    You will notice they sold a wide variety of other maker's saws, to include Disston and others. I looked through my catalogs and didn't see any Atkins or Simonds saws with that pseudo lamb's tongue that you pointed out. I don't have anything for CE Jennings, although I've had a lot of his saws, and don't recall seeing one like the OPs saw.

    Then it hit me that the answer could be right under our nose. Direct your attention to page 139, the No 40., third saw from the top:

    139.jpg

    The saw shown there is identical to the OPs in every way. Placement of the saw nuts, the pseudo lambs tongue and the skewed back. Looking further, this saw does not appear in the 1918 catalog, which is why many probably didn't draw the connection.

    I'd like to state that is an educated guess, and not proven fact, but when you consider that the OPs saw has a New Haven etch, and Sargent operated out of New Haven, AND sold Disston saws, AND Disston had an identical saw sold in their catalog called the #40 which looked identical, I don't think it is a stretch to conclude that Disston made that saw for Sargent and it was their Model #40.

    As an aside, I would LOVE to get an example of the "The Nabob". I wonder if Nabobs back then were Natteringly Negative? Something new to be on the lookout for.

    Regards,

    The Saw Troll

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    Here ya go...first come first serve....maybe you can id any of these...from 400 miles away....better hurry, trash day is Tuesday around here.
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    Steven,

    Housekeeping is fun, glad you are ridding yourself of some of your less appreciated gems.

    The Saw Troll

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