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    Tool sponsors ruin instagram makers

    I don't know why this bothers me so much, but it seems to me that tool sponsors on instagram totally ruin makers content/channels or whatever you want to call it. In the last week or two alone, several makers have gone from good, entertaining, and helpful content to contrived crap to flog some tool or brand. A certain red tool company is the worst of it. How do I know there's a new "single occurrence" tool? I see it on the company's feed (fine, I signed up for that), then I see it on every. maker's. feed. All with exactly the same party line. It must just pay well to flog some unnecessary, overpriced while telling fellow makers to blow hard earned money on something you can get on amazon for 1/10th the price. But it comes with a pencil!!

    Sadly, in the last few days several makers posted stuff to the effect of "I don't have to time to do X!" where X = making something at the heart of their hobby or business. Yet they did have time to generate an overly produced, contrived video flogging some new red, green, blue, or gold tool.

    Again, I don't know why it bothers me so much, and I guess everyone has to make a living, but the sponsors totally ruin it.
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    In a society that saw paid cable TV providers start running commercials, yet failed to cry havoc and cancel their subscriptions, unsolicited information (advertising) will rule the day. "They" now know that not only will we stand for it, we'll pay them to show it to us. Why would they not do it in every venue available to them? The more popular the venue, the more people they can reach.
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    It's just the way of the world.
    Many years ago when I got my first cell phone, it was an LG flip phone, texting was relatively new, and I didn't get it as part of our "package". I didn't even think the phone could do texting.
    About a year goes by and all of the sudden I got a $5.00 fee and 25 cents per word added to my bill for texting one month???? I called Verizon and asked them what this was.
    Turns out that Verizon had been sending me texts, to advertise their texting packages, but I didn't know it, because i never knew to look for it. They were spamming me with advertising,and charging me for not having the service to realize that they were spamming me.
    These charges were taken off the bill.
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    While having sponsors can become more obtrusive when it comes to maker video, it's probably unrealistic to think that everyone is going to produce and provide content without being able to monetize it in some way. Folks have to make a living and sponsors help them do that. Making that content takes a lot of time and effort so they are just trying to get paid for it. All of us who work or have worked for a living have always enjoyed getting paid for it.

    While some folks do "cross some line" and get to where they are primarily hawking something, we all have the choice to not watch the video...
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    Oh I get it, everyone has to make a living. I've steadily cut my follow list down, its just some of these sponsors have reached a saturation point. It's a shame though, more junk and much less learning and fewer nice finished pieces to ogle. I'd much rather support the makers by buying plans or pieces than sift through the ads when you know they made nice stuff (and can show you how...) without the fancy toys.

    I'd much rather see ads telling me where they got the great stock/materials they're using, or how to achieve that finish, or where I can pick up a copy of the plans for that table, or where I can see your pieces in person. A square is a square is a square. I've unfollowed 12 makers telling us about the latest square or ruler from you know who.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Becker View Post
    While having sponsors can become more obtrusive when it comes to maker video, it's probably unrealistic to think that everyone is going to produce and provide content without being able to monetize it in some way. Folks have to make a living and sponsors help them do that. Making that content takes a lot of time and effort so they are just trying to get paid for it. All of us who work or have worked for a living have always enjoyed getting paid for it.

    While some folks do "cross some line" and get to where they are primarily hawking something, we all have the choice to not watch the video...
    Last edited by William Chain; 07-31-2018 at 11:53 AM.

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    The content creators will tell you point blank the the expense and time of creating that content is high but the good creators (not meaning creating work, but creating content) can do it without being economically corrupted by commercial sponsors. There are many YouTube channels that I watch regularly that very clearly get tools and product from sponsors but their channels have enough demand that they simply will not become and advertising prostitute for anyone. They stay true to the model they setup when they started the channel in the first place. The woodwhisperer is a prime example of someone who has "used" the hobby to line their pockets masterfully. Someone who knows little about what they are doing, but is a very skilled marketeer.

    Just unsubscribe and dont reward the practice. Support those who dont fall prey.

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    In this consumerism world, advertisers will stop at nothing to feed you product information. That is their job and that is how they can stay afloat. Instagram is just one of their means, and those content creators are part of their tool kits.

    Some new tools (to me) would be a good match in my shop, but most are just modernized or fancy versions of what I have been using for decades. Like anything else, buyers beware, whatever the color is. I actually have a few sucker pals who enjoy buying tools to the point that sometimes I wonder if their motives were to hoard and resell their collections, as they hardly get any good pieces made.

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    On Instagram I only follow people who post their own work. If they post t-shirts, advertising, someone else's work, memes, pet pictures, or any other crap; I unfollow unless they are good friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Bolton View Post
    There are many YouTube channels that I watch regularly that very clearly get tools and product from sponsors but their channels have enough demand that they simply will not become an advertising prostitute for anyone.

    Just unsubscribe and don't reward the practice. Support those who don't fall prey.
    Your comments are spot on. Prior to my rant, I binned the ones that have gone too far, and added a bunch of furniture people that showcase work, not tools and other junk. I thought to myself that perhaps I was being too critical, and took a peek back at one of the "makers" I binned, and sure enough the first post back is a bunch o' sponsor tools hanging on a wall using a bunch o' sponsor hanging hardware. And a cute remark about running out of free hardware to hang their junk. What a pity, not enough free stuff. Nope, not being too critical, the decision to bin them was correct.

    As for Mr. WW, he is so transparent with his self interest that I respect it. Would I buy a used car from him? No. But it was entertaining to read (his own post) that he divested in expensive green tools the minute the green tool maker stopped paying up. At least that was transparent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick McQuay View Post
    If they post t-shirts, advertising, someone else's work, memes, pet pictures, or any other crap;
    Sounds like the current textbook approach to creating media contents to attract visits!

    Welcome to the Social Media era of woodworking.

    The worst Instagram posts I have come across were not ad stuff or crap like mixing other topics into woodworking which is bad enough, but those who ignored questions (because their self-interests are about visits and views, not answering inquiries). What is the point of sharing but not clarifying?

    Then, there are unbelievable (naive is not even the right word) followers whose comments make you wonder if they have any independent thinking ability at all. To exaggerate, if you had 100,000 followers and you cut your finger by accident and then said this was another way to check if the saw or blade was sharp, you would expect to see 2000 likes about your innovative way of checking sharpness!

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    "Mr. WW" supports himself mostly by selling his videos directly to the people who want to watch them. That's the right way to "monetize" content, IMO. No shilling for anyone in the paid content, as far as I've seen.

    It's a shame that doesn't seem to work for other kinds of content online. But I guess woodworking hobbyists have a lot of money to throw around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Bouis View Post
    "swoodworking hobbyists have a lot of money to throw around.
    Not just in woodworking. A friend of mine showed me her new pair of hiking boots:$500+! She is a hobbyist hiker/climber.

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    I trust those are the most charming hiking boots in existence.


    Quote Originally Posted by Simon MacGowen View Post
    Not just in woodworking. A friend of mine showed me her new pair of hiking boots:$500+! She is a hobbyist hiker/climber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Chain View Post
    I trust those are the most charming hiking boots in existence.
    She mentioned about water repellent uppers, traditional Norwegian welt stitched (no idea what it was!) and blah blah blah. Hikers and climbers here probably can tell us if she was a big sucker spending that kind of money on a pair of boots (the same way how we might look at the next guy spending $300 on a coping saw).

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Chain View Post
    As for Mr. WW, he is so transparent with his self interest that I respect it. Would I buy a used car from him? No. But it was entertaining to read (his own post) that he divested in expensive green tools the minute the green tool maker stopped paying up. At least that was transparent.
    I dont disagree that he is completely up front about treating his brand (moreso than his woodworking) as is income source for his family. For that I can do nothing but commend him. It may be a ridiculous peeve but I simply have a major problem with an individual adopting the handle "whisperer" which is a term typically relegated to someone like a horse whisperer who has such a massive breadth of knowledge and experience that just like there is no entity in the US to deem you a "master carpenter" or "master craftsman", you are bestowed that title by your peers, not yourself. No "master carpenter" uses that term to describe themselves. Others use it to describe them. Its an honor bestowed on someone by their peers. The ones who call themselves a "master carpenter" or "master craftsman" are immediately suspect. Master Plumber? Sure, Master Electrician? Sure. Master Mechanic? Sure. So Spagnolo appointing himself a master/whisperer of anything other than online marketing is simply pompous. I applaud his success, and his regular statements that he is no "master" and is always learning but anointing yourself with the moniker "the wood whisperer" when you simply got sick of your high dollar corporate job and decided to monetize your new found hobby with a couple of courses under your belt and then launch a career "teaching woodworking" while you cut your dovetails with the tails on the fronts and backs, and pins on the sides,... uhhh... youve lost me.

    As I always say, masterful job at marketing and building a brand that now provides both incomes for his household and probably rarely if ever makes product because he needs to.

    Sadly much of the old guard on Youtube are being starved out because the medium has become so diluted but I guess even that falls back on them for not creating the content that keeps the views sky high allowing them to not cave to sponsor dollars. The machinist world is one that seems to stay relatively clean in that sense but the wood world has never seemed to have the same type of following perhaps because every tom dick and harry has a little wood shop in the corner of the basement so its not viewed the same as machinist work.

    I also watch a lot of sailing videos (Im not a sailor and dont own a sailboat Im just always amazed at someone selling off everything, packing up, and trying to sail around the world not knowing a ton about sailing). The ones there seem to get their video views and patron dollars based highly on gratuitous cleavage and bikini shots for their video images and throughout the content lol. I'll bet you'll see more bikini clad chicks showing how to get sawdust out of their cleavage when it gets worse. ;-)

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