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Thread: Wood Lathe Options in Late 2018

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    On the American Beauty, it has this tilt-away option, which looks nice but pricey. My question is, if you want to turn outboard, is the idea that you slide the head all the way to the other end and lock it down? Wouldn't you be locking the head to this tilt-away dealy? It doesn't seem solid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Chandler View Post
    I would think that tariffs will become a problem for Jet/Powermatic also because they are manufactured in China/Tiwaan ROC as well. Some of the foundries that make the castings are the same for Grizzly & Powermatics as well.
    The tariffs obviously impact all the importers. Taiwan made machines don't have the direct tariff but have/will be impacted by raw material costs which in some cases have their own tariffs. Grizzly seems to be at somewhat of a disadvantage since despite the fact they have very large warehouses the other importers have a large dealer networks that each have their own albeit small inventory. Grizzly has also had supply chain problems over the last year which prevented them from having stock for many of their machines meaning they are having to add the tariff on every new sale. I know dealers that have been stocking up on machines over the last couple of months to avoid the tariffs for as long as possible in the hopes they could outlast the tariffs.

    The fact that anyone is even considering a Chinese made Grizzly with the new pricing (vs machines that have not seen an increase) is a testament to the perceived value.

    In the end turners are at a distinct financial advantage to flat workers in regards to having an all North American or all US built shop. Just buying the basic 5 flat working machines new and made in America will have you writing a 6 figure check.
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    The tilt away is for getting the tailstock out of the way. The G0800 has the same feature so you dont have to muscle the tailstock off the lathe to turn off the end.

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    I see Grizzly has a GO835 for $3195.00 plus freight in stock it is the same as the GO800 except it is 24" X24" if you can't live with only 24" spindle length then order the 20" extention bed for it that would give you 44" length and you would be at around $4200.00 including shipping. I have the GO800 and am very happy with it the GO835 should be just as good.

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    Unfortunately if you are going to buy new then your best option is not to wait. As current supplies dwindle down the tariffs will be kicking in. It impacted Grizzly because they always seam to be sold out and waiting on their next shipment but it'll hit the other Asian made lathes to one degree or another.

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    Assuming Laguna will be affected too???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Wilson80 View Post
    Assuming Laguna will be affected too???
    yep, just a matter of time...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris A Lawrence View Post
    The tilt away is for getting the tailstock out of the way. The G0800 has the same feature so you dont have to muscle the tailstock off the lathe to turn off the end.
    I understand that but the tilt-away has two sets of ways like a train transfer station. When you rotate the tailstock, the other set of ways moves into position. Now suppose you want to to some outboard turning, so you slide the headstock down to the end, and instead of locking onto the big solid ways, you're just locked onto this little rotating dealy. Am I missing something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Halsted View Post
    I understand that but the tilt-away has two sets of ways like a train transfer station. When you rotate the tailstock, the other set of ways moves into position. Now suppose you want to to some outboard turning, so you slide the headstock down to the end, and instead of locking onto the big solid ways, you're just locked onto this little rotating dealy. Am I missing something?
    Pretty much John. The swing away feature on the G0800 allows the tailstock to be out of the way, and turn off the main end of the bed, directly over the leg, which is the most stable and strong position for the headstock to be in. It also has a bed extension available, which I have for my G0800.
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    I have no experience with them but I believe Vega lathes are made in Decatur Illinois. That roughly an hour from Champaign. Go right to the factory and pick it up it's cute that way (Johnny Cash song). You'll have to ask people here about Vega lathes. Don't know about them.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Roger Chandler View Post
    Those tariffs are a tough chew for sure! That being said, I have turned on some of the best lathes available, including the Robust American Beauty, many Powermatic 3520b's and numerous other lathes. I have two Grizzly lathes in my shop, the 22/42 G0766 and the 24/48 G0800 with the bed extension.

    I was actually saving for the American Beauty, but the G0800 really caught my eye, and I decided to dive deeply into the specs, build, etc. First off, it is made by the same company that makes the Powermatic lathes, which is Harvey Industries Co, and it is a clone of their Harvey Turbo-60 unit, which is their flagship model.

    It does have a premium A/C motor/inverter combo on it that is top notch, and my G0800 is truly impressive with the torque at low speeds. That small belt is especially made for high torque applications, and I have not had it slip, not once! I have turned some big/heavy wood in it! I just finished a roughout yesterday from green red maple that came from my next door neighbors yard, that was storm damaged last week, which started out at about 125 lbs, and is 15.5 inches diameter.

    I have also turned on a Serious SL2542, which is almost 1600 lbs. of premium beast, and this is my honest opinion. To me, turning on my G0800 feels like turning on the Serious and Robust. It is smooth and powerful. The machining is top notch, and the build is very precise and refined. The centers line up to an exacting degree, and it is pretty heavy. My unit with the bed extension is about 900 lbs, and I like the leg casting design, as it has a wide splay for stability, and the castings allow for shelving for even more added ballast.

    The headstock design is ergonomic, it has three massive bearings on the headstock spindle, which are all larger than a baseball, and the lock down of headstock, banjo and tailstock are rock solid, and the weight of all three are heavy duty as is all the lathe. It has beefy castings throughout, and as stated earlier, the machining is as good as anything I've seen anywhere, and better than most! The tool rest has a 1" wide bar of drill rod material, turned on its side and welded in place, so the tool rest has a smooth, basically ding free surface for the gouge to ride on.

    If money is no object, then the Robust is a fine machine, and a super warranty. I can tell you, having turned on it, it is a sweet machine! The G0800 is a sweet machine! I could have waited a couple more years and perhaps gotten a fully tricked out American Beauty, but honestly, there is nothing that the Beauty or the Serious can do that my G0800 can't also do! The bed extension allows for versatility in setup, and can be mounted on either end of the bed, or the front of the bed for getting behind a turning, but I have mine set up for turning off the tailstock end.

    The tariff situation may cause some heartburn, and make the Robust a more pleasing option, but that is something you will have to decide.

    All I wanted to do with this post was to share my own personal experience and perspective. I am really happy with my decision to go ahead with the G0800......and the G0766 for that matter, but the G0800 is definitely more machine!

    I compare the Jet 1642 Evs, the Nova DVR, that class of lathes is sort of like having a small Ford Ranger pickup and the G0800 like having a Super Duty 350 with all the heavy duty build.
    I have two points to offer on this. One as a Robust AB owner, and one as a member of the US steel industry. As a Robust owner my point is simple, you wouldn't be disappointed with it. I just received mine in February. Man is it a beast. I haven't made it sweat yet, but I have to find some bigger wood to do it. My other point, which I have to disagree with Roger on, is yes there is a few things a Robust can do that a Grizzly can't. Keeps Americans working. Yes the tariffs are painful for the foreign manufacturers, but that's the point. Although I can't give specific numbers, since before the tariffs went into effect there has been an increase in iron orders. My livelihood depends on the sale of American steel and the prevention of Chinese steel dumping. Please don't take this as I am bashing on Grizzly, far from it. I own a couple of their machines. Great machines for their price. I had looked at the G0800 and the Oneway 2436 before I decided (more like my wife decided for me) to get the AB. The biggest selling point of the AB was it was American made. Not to mention that Brent and Deb are awesome people to deal with. I hope you all understand the point I am trying to make, and I'm sure I'll take some heat for this post. For me I buy American whenever I can, even if it is more expensive. Keep your neighbor working.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by John Halsted View Post
    I'd like to buy a lathe and have been looking around and reading as much as I can. I'd like to stick with the buy big and don't buy again philosophy. I want to turn big green logs. Given the good reviews of the Grizzly G0800 that would have seemed like a good option but now the price has jumped substantially due to the tariff thing.

    The Grizzly G0694 is now comparatively very cheap. After a 10% discount code and $199 freight it is just $2,894.50 including freight. The swing over the bed/rest is a bit small but it comes with an outboard toolrest. The only issue is that there really isn't much information about this machine in terms of reviews. But it seems to me that the lathes affected by the tariff are now very expensive compared to those made in Taiwan, like the G0694. It is unfortunately out of stock right now.

    Powermatic's 3hp offering, the 4224B, is almost 3 times the price. Though I do prefer the open stand design with the cast iron legs.

    Is there anything else I should be looking at?
    Your options are proportional to what you are willing to pay. Grizzly is a second tier chinese product and that's why it's the price it is. Try looking for used North American made lathes and you'll not regret it. There's got to be many out there as there as turning was all the rage 15 years ago and there are so many people that bought huge lathes and found they weren't all that keen on the hobby after all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephen Kuznicki View Post
    I have two points to offer on this. One as a Robust AB owner, and one as a member of the US steel industry. As a Robust owner my point is simple, you wouldn't be disappointed with it. I just received mine in February. Man is it a beast. I haven't made it sweat yet, but I have to find some bigger wood to do it. My other point, which I have to disagree with Roger on, is yes there is a few things a Robust can do that a Grizzly can't. Keeps Americans working. Yes the tariffs are painful for the foreign manufacturers, but that's the point. Although I can't give specific numbers, since before the tariffs went into effect there has been an increase in iron orders. My livelihood depends on the sale of American steel and the prevention of Chinese steel dumping. Please don't take this as I am bashing on Grizzly, far from it. I own a couple of their machines. Great machines for their price. I had looked at the G0800 and the Oneway 2436 before I decided (more like my wife decided for me) to get the AB. The biggest selling point of the AB was it was American made. Not to mention that Brent and Deb are awesome people to deal with. I hope you all understand the point I am trying to make, and I'm sure I'll take some heat for this post. For me I buy American whenever I can, even if it is more expensive. Keep your neighbor working.
    I have no issues with your post. It makes sense to buy American if you can, but in my instance it was going to be another couple of years until I could save enough to manage the American Beauty, and that was if everything went well, and did not demand my savings. I had the cash on hand for the G0800, and was not about to finance anything, knew it was a really good lathe, and really liked the build, so it made sense for me.

    I agree totally about Brent and his company, and have purchased toolrests from him, which are top notch for sure. That was all before any of this tariff stuff hit.
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