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Thread: Lighten WB stain?

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    Lighten WB stain?

    In my recent cabinet project I have tried several attempts with General Finishes water based stain (Expresso color). All my samples have been coming out solid black. Definitely not the brown tone I was hoping for.

    Here's my technique (Please critique as required)

    Using Ash plywood and solid wood.
    My final sanding has been attempted at 150, 180, & 220 to see if it would make any difference.
    I've also attempted to use GF extender at the max recommendation of 15%. That got me closer to the brown but the second application to even everything up took it the rest of the way to black.

    I'm doing small areas at a time, I flooded it on with a foam brush and immediately (within 1-2 min) used a clean cloth to rub across and in circles to work it into the surface. Within another min or so I'm using a neatly folded clean cloth to remove the excess.
    At no time was the stain ever on for more than 5 min before the excess was wiped off. (2-3 min was more likely)
    FWIW it is very hot and dry here in TX this time of year.

    I feel like I need to water it down well beyond the max recommendation of 15%. I'm thinking up to 50%? Just wanted some opinions before I made such a drastic move. Maybe 25% extender and $25 water?

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    I would get some of GF's WB neutral base and use that to dilute the Espresso. You could make it 90% neutral base and 10% Expresso if that's what it takes.

    Extender's purpose is to slow down the drying, not thinning, that's why you need the neutral base. You may still need some Extender in it to give you more time to work with it, but that's a different issue.

    I hope that helps.

    John

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    Thanks John...

    Is it fair to assume that the GF "Pre-stain conditioner - Natural" is the proper product to use as a neutral base? It's the closest thing listed under their WB series of products. I could try blending one of the other lighter colors as well, but that's more experimentation.
    I don't really care that my final product matches the original color sample perfectly more importantly that all my cabinets end up looking consistent.

    I'm just trying to find the right mixture and technique which will give me consistent results as I will need to do the finishing for these cabinets in many smaller sections.

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    I just looked at GF's site. They call it "Stain Reducer". That's what you need.

    John

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