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Thread: Is this why people use mortise chisels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanley Covington View Post
    I wrote a very detailed thread here about this a couple of years ago, but it does not show up in a search. Anyone know where it got off to?

    I can repost, if we can't find it, or enough people are interested, or I could or send it to you privately.

    Stan
    https://sawmillcreek.org/showthread....sential-Oilpot

    Roubo also mentions using oil or grease when mortising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steven c newman View Post
    Or....maybe he just hit a hard knot buried down in the wood.....BTDT....why I had to resharpen that New Haven Edge Tool Co. 1/4" Mortise chisel the other day...

    Some woods also hide bit of stone inside....might want to look into the hole, and see what is down there....
    A very valid point. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warren Mickley View Post
    https://sawmillcreek.org/showthread....sential-Oilpot

    Roubo also mentions using oil or grease when mortising.
    Thanks Warren. Scholar and a gentleman

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    Stan, Ha! - Skewampus - I’ve been desparately searching for a word to describe some of my mortise work

    On a more serious note, thank you for the tips on sizing up the shape of a chisel...very helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Mueller View Post
    Stan, Ha! - Skewampus - I’ve been desparately searching for a word to describe some of my mortise work

    On a more serious note, thank you for the tips on sizing up the shape of a chisel...very helpful.
    Phil:

    One of my Dad's (RIP) sayings. Don't hear it much anymore.

    Re chisel dimensions, you are very welcome. It all makes perfect sense, but most of us, including me, don't get it until its pointed out to us.

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    If you drop them on concrete they also chip, probably worse. Just sharpen and carry on with more chopping and less levering. Raise the angle to 30 degrees as you sharpen, it's just a tool; more than likely it will still outlast you!
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    I don't know of any chisels that will chop mortises at a 25 degree bevel.... Even PM-V11 calls for a steeper bevel than this...

    Paring or general light duty bench work - it's probably more or less OK assuming your technique is good... Mine do better with a 30 degree microbevel for the miscellaneous general use....

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Warren Mickley View Post
    https://sawmillcreek.org/showthread....sential-Oilpot

    Roubo also mentions using oil or grease when mortising.
    Ahh, I see! Paul Sellers recommends one of these for plane bodies and sawing(I generally keep a block of wax on hand for this purpose), never occurred to me to use it on a chisel though.

    Thanks Stan and Warren!

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    An oil pot is now on my list as well...

    I had problems with beeswax and canning wax rubbing off on wood and causing weird finish problems, so I quit using it.... Looking back - most likely I just used too much.. Hard to get a super thin film with a thick hard wax.... Watching people use oil on their woodworking tools on the videos - it looks like a super fine coating.. Just enough so you can see the steel darken a bit..

  10. Quote Originally Posted by John C Cox View Post
    An oil pot is now on my list as well...

    I had problems with beeswax and canning wax rubbing off on wood and causing weird finish problems, so I quit using it.... Looking back - most likely I just used too much.. Hard to get a super thin film with a thick hard wax.... Watching people use oil on their woodworking tools on the videos - it looks like a super fine coating.. Just enough so you can see the steel darken a bit..
    I haven't had much trouble with that, although I've used it mostly for #7 and #8 planes when flattening or edge jointing, by the time I get around to finishing I've taken a smoother to it and I don't use the wax on smoothers.

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    Did it chip while chopping or were you levering out waste? Bench chisels are not made for levering. I'm not 100% sure, but from the pic that bevel looks hollow ground, which will give you a weaker edge generally. A flat bevel is your friend. I know that is not the fashion though. The fashion is hollow grind and and a microbevel finished to .001 micron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John C Cox View Post
    I don't know of any chisels that will chop mortises at a 25 degree bevel.... Even PM-V11 calls for a steeper bevel than this...

    Paring or general light duty bench work - it's probably more or less OK assuming your technique is good... Mine do better with a 30 degree microbevel for the miscellaneous general use....
    Having different bevel angles on different chisels is a good reason to have more than one set of chisels.

    My Buck Brothers chisels are beveled at ~20º for paring.

    My Witherby chisels are beveled at ~30º for light mallet work.

    My firmer chisels and mortise chisels are ground 30º or more depending on where they are intended to be used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanley Covington View Post
    I wrote a very detailed thread here about this a couple of years ago, but it does not show up in a search. Anyone know where it got off to?

    I can repost, if we can't find it, or enough people are interested, or I could or send it to you privately.

    Stan
    https://sawmillcreek.org/showthread....sential-Oilpot

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    Thanks all for the great advice! I took the excuse to order the set of 3 Narex mortise chisels from Amazon I'll try sharpening them with a convex bevel.
    The wood is Poplar btw so not too hard, after reading your comments though I'm pretty sure I was just abusing it by twisting to try and clean the bottom of the hole.

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    Man, I have all kinds of old beater chisels in addition to my Lie Nielsen chisels.

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