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    Didnt the Woodwhisperer post this guys video too recently?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim M Tuttle View Post
    I watch a ton of YouTube woodworking videos. Probably at least an hour a day. I've never once seen someone talking or looking into the camera while making a cut on their table saw. I film my projects as well and have never done that. I set up my camera, push record, and then go through the setup of the cut. It's not distracting at all.
    It may not be distracting to you, but everyone has a different level of tolerance of distractions. Some people are good at multi-tasking and some are not. Some have received proper training and some have not.

    There is a good reason why distraction laws are in place for drivers. I have heard arguments that talking on the phone with only one hand on the wheel or even texting behind the wheel is not unsafe. Some say hundreds of thousands of drivers do that everyday; the big question is the degree of risk. The risk of accidents/injuries increases when the level or frequency of distraction goes up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon MacGowen View Post
    Given the fact that his tablesaw does not have a splitter or better a riving knife
    Actually it did have a riving knife, which was described in the video. Somehow it was bent so he didn’t have it installed. How it got bent is probably another safety incident.

    Table saw safety is not rocket science. Proper table saw setup and alignment, control the feed, make sure the material is tight to the fence, stand out of the path of ejection. Accidents are never the saw’s fault.

    Good remind of what can happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Day View Post
    Actually it did have a riving knife, which was described in the video. Somehow it was bent so he didn’t have it installed. How it got bent is probably another safety incident.

    Table saw safety is not rocket science. Proper table saw setup and alignment, control the feed, make sure the material is tight to the fence, stand out of the path of ejection. Accidents are never the saw’s fault.

    Good remind of what can happen.
    I only skimmed through his video, not knowing his tablesaw did have a riving knife before.

    That brings me to think if it might be possible that he had been making cuts using the riving knife all along sometimes without paying attention to whether or not the stock was always held tight to the fence when it was pushed through. Such lack of attention, if any, might have been compensated by the use of riving knife before. But once the knife was removed and the same cutting habit was employed, the risk of a kickback became obvious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim M Tuttle View Post
    How did the blade height cause kick back? And he's not claiming that blade height can cause/prevent the accident, he's saying that because his blade was low that it did not cause further damage to his fingers.
    The lower the blade, the greater the chance the wood will climb up the front and back side of the blade. The higher the blade the more downward force there is on the entry cut. The gullets need to be clear so they can effectively remove the chips.
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    It seems like it's only been in the last several years that people have been preaching (falsely, I believe) that the teeth should be just protruding above the stock. Having the gullets above the surface is the minimum as far as I'm concerned. And if using a guard, it can be much higher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Pratt View Post
    It seems like it's only been in the last several years that people have been preaching (falsely, I believe) that the teeth should be just protruding above the stock. Having the gullets above the surface is the minimum as far as I'm concerned. And if using a guard, it can be much higher.
    Yea I always set the gullet to the top of the material.
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    Although I'm very sorry to hear of the injuries, this is a guy who absolutely should not be producing safety videos.

    His lack of recognition of the most important aspect of safety when using machinery was evident.

    1) he removed the guard and riving knife/splitter. This is a firing offence in industry for good reason, any time you have to remove the guard, you're either doing something you shouldn't be doing, or you're using the wrong machine or guard.

    Yes, he had wrong hand position, blade height and lack of push devices, however having the riving knife and guard in place would have prevented the kickback and blade contact injuries.

    I'm not sure why it's so hard to understand that the safety devices should never be removed except for machine adjustment/tooling changes with the machine locked out.

    I guess it's because so few operators have had any training by qualified personnel.

    Regards, Rod.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Launier View Post
    [...]

    I place a large sheet of cardboard on top of my TS to protect the table top when not in use, so having a riving knife in place prevents it from sitting down flat on the table. However, after watching this video I just decided to try using the riving knife again & will cut a slot in the cardboard to accept it.

    [...]
    For almost 25 years I made exactly that with my TS.

    Half year ago I decided to go to a Makita 2704. Smaller, lighter and not so sturdy as my previous cast iron TS... my main reason for the upgrade was security: blade guard, spreader and anti kick back pawns. They are something inconvenient at some situations but I disciplined myself to maintain those stuff at their place always it is possible.

    I remade my saw sledge to operate with those security features on.

    Unfortunately for non trespassing cuts like grooves and dado I need to take them off... and work at triple alert mode...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Launier View Post
    I place a large sheet of cardboard on top of my TS to protect the table top when not in use, so having a riving knife in place prevents it from sitting down flat on the table. However, after watching this video I just decided to try using the riving knife again & will cut a slot in the cardboard to accept it.
    Riving knife or splitter? A riving knife usually is lower than the top of the blade I thought and moves up and down with the blade. Mine is at least.

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    This guy attempts to create the kickback live, n harem to him done but very close in slow motion. As he says he was probably an idiot for trying this.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7sRrC2Jpp4

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    i am glad video was posted, after years of using table saw sometimes kind of forget just how much damage can do. as to video quality. think he did ok in getting point accross, not easy to make a video of a major screw up. . mean where not all profesional with the camera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rod Sheridan View Post
    he removed the guard and riving knife/splitter. This is a firing offence in industry for good reason, any time you have to remove the guard, you're either doing something you shouldn't be doing, or you're using the wrong machine or guard.
    With the apparent massive popularity of the GRR-RIPPER push block - which from what I understand requires removal of the blade guard to even work, I assume lots and lots of table saw users are working with the blade guards removed, if for no other reason than "for total hand protection" (that quote taken from the GRR-RIPPER website). Other sales sites say "Protect your hands like never before, virtually eliminate kickback".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon MacGowen View Post
    Yours is a splitter, not a riving knife right? A riving knife should come all the way down with the sawblade below the tabletop.

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    Yup, you're right, it's a splitter.
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