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    My Dust Collector Experience

    Background:
    I do occasional woodworking activities in a small shop in the basement of my home. Most larger tools I have use 2-1/2 inch ports. Several portable power tools I own have smaller ports. I’ve owned and used a larger 1 HP dust collection system with 4 in. hoses and it proved to be awkward to handle, a pain to connect, and sometimes lacking in suction. So I decided to look into a shop vacuum based system. I know you can buy off the shelf solutions and more powerful dust collectors, but I wanted a shop made solution.

    My Criteria:
    Low noise
    Infrequent dust dumping
    Minimum filter cleaning (hence a cyclone was needed)
    2-1/2 in. hoses (and capability for small hoses)
    Able to use standard utility nozzles (floor sweep and crevice tool)
    Minimum floor space
    Remote controlled switch

    First Attempt:
    I built a noise reduction box out of 3/4 inch plywood for a standard 5 HP shop vacuum based on a web article titled “How to Silence Your Shop Vac”. It is basically a cabinet for your vacuum that is lined with noise reduction panels. While this technique works to minimize the noise level, it wasn’t easy to find noise reduction insulation at a reasonable price, and the box just took up too much floor space for me at 25x25x34 inches high (not including the cyclone and dust bin).
    However, during this attempt I found out about Fernco plumbing couplings. To connect to the vacuum inlet, I used a 2 in. No Hub Coupling NH-22 (metal sleeve removed) and fit it over the inlet into which I then inserted a 2 in. PVC 45‑degree street elbow. Into the elbow went a custom made PVC fitting that accepts a standard 2-1/2 vacuum hose fitting. I also used a Fernco P1059‑150 Coupling on the cyclone.
    By the way, your own hose fittings can be made by heating a PVC pipe with a heat gun and pushing it onto the end of a hose. Just search for YouTube videos such as “Make PVC Shop Vac Fittings”.

    Final Result:
    To take up less floor space I looked into low noise vacuums. I ended up with the Fein Turbo I vacuum connected to an Oneida Air Systems Dust Deputy. The Turbo I and II have the same specs other than the size of the container; I wanted the smaller one. The Fein is relatively quiet and will accept 2-1/2 inch hoses directly in the inlet (though it comes with a smaller hose). I wanted more than a 5-gallon plastic bucket for dust, so I used a 10-gallon fiber barrel. I built a cart out of 1x4’s to hold the vacuum, dust bin and cyclone. To complete the connections, I used a 5.5-foot hose and right angle vacuum hose adapter from Oneida. To hold the 13-foot hose a central vacuum hose hanger was attached to the side of the cart. And an outlet with a wireless remote is how I turn the system on/off.

    Component List:
    Fein Turbo I Vacuum Dust Extractor
    10 gal fiber barrel
    15-3/8 in. dia. barrel lid made from 3/4 plywood
    Oneida Dust Deputy
    Oneida angle right vacuum hose adapter
    Oneida 5.5 ft 2-1/2 in. hose
    Fernco P1059‑150 coupling
    Ridgid 13 foot 2-1/2 in. hose
    Woods Weatherproof Outdoor Outlet with Wireless Remote (less than $10!)
    Central cac wire hose hanger
    1 x 4’s for the cart structure
    2 inch casters

    pict of noise reduction box
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    pict of shop vac inlet (3 pieces)
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    I just started a thread about shop vacs. I have the nessecary pvc already on-hand.
    I used to keep koi and when you mentioned Ferncos my heart skipped a beat. They are very handy.

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    Quick sketch, photos coming soon

    These are the approximate dimensions:
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    Similar idea but, I found the vac's barrel to collect almost nothing once I added the Dust Deputy. Mine sets still and I have 30' of hose. The little box is just large enough to hold the filter.

    Vac-DD-Mod.jpg

    Unlike your nice little rig, this does nothing for noise.
    "A hen is only an egg's way of making another egg".


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    I just ordered up the Fernco P1059-150 and the P1060-150 and they both arrived yesterday. Mine is for hooking up the P-trap to the bottom of a new tub. The existing P-trap was hard-glued in and while I could make it work, it was painful and put strain on the tub drain fittings that made me uncomfortable and I'm sure would likely leak in time.

    What is nice about the 1059 series of Fernco couplings is that one end is designed to fit over the HUB of a fitting (the 1060 fits over the hub on BOTH ends). Upon chopping out the existing P-trap, all I had left was the hub of an ABS street 90 1.5" fitting to work with. I heated up the end so I could slowly roll out the glued in ABS 1.5" pipe but in case I ruined the fitting (and the jury is still out on that...need to reshape the hub tonight with more heat and a hose clamp--think it'll work fine), I wanted the Fernco on hand to save me. Anyway, WAY OT but interesting on the Fernco so I couldn't resist!
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    Can I get more pics?

    I'm hoping to do something similar.
    I have a Fein vac, metal dust deputy, and a smaller 5 gallon bucket.
    I'm not sure if I should make a stacked setup like Mark's, or a side setup like Glenn's (but with a top over it.

    -Matt

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    The picture with the shop vac in the middle and showing my CMS is my current setup with the dust deputy above the Rigid shop vac. The other two pictures are a previous configuration where the DD was roughly on the same level as the shop vac. It stuck out too far this way, however, for me to put a car in the shop garage. So I reconfigured to move the DD on top. The tall part is behind there the fence for the CMS is so it works.

    As you can see, I use 2 inch PVC to connect the DD to the shop vac. Most connections are just slip fit so it's easy to disconnect to empty the drywall bucket. It would be a bit of a pain to get to the shop vac filter but that is rarely needed. I use both a Bosch 5 meter hose and a 20 foot 2.5 inch Rigid hose. The bigger hose is nice for cleanup and the table saw and the small one goes to the CMS, track saw, and sanders. I have a power strip plugged into the auto-on switch so I can leave 6 tools plugged into the switch and just move the hoses.

    I have casters under this but it sits near the center of the shop along a wall and with the fairly long hoses, it rarely needs to move.

    I also have used a 1 hp dust collector and won't again. If I use one again, I will go up to a 2hp. The 1hp was not enough for the jointer or planner and the shop vac does OK with the other tools. The 2hp should do the jointer and planner. But I am not finding it terrible to just sweep up after using those tools. My shop is only 14x24 and I am not sure I want to give up the space for the DC.
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    I wonder what your thoughts are on this version http://lumberjocks.com/projects/149634

    I saw this last year and wanted to make it, but never found time.

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