Shenhui 1440x850, 130 Watt Reci Z6
Gerber Sabre 408
And lets not forget that our lasers always take time to do their work, some more than others of course! So my inexpensive Chinese laser, which clearly is 3D by our definition, can easily be called a 4D printer because it involves time! I can even control the amount of time involved by varying the power output and speed! 4D! Wow!!! <grin>
900x600 80watt EFR Tube laser from Liaocheng Ray Fine Tech LTD. Also a 900x600 2.5kw spindle CNC from Ray Fine. And my main tool, a well used and loved Jet 1642 Woodlathe with an outboard toolrest that helps me work from 36 inch diameters down to reallllllly tiny stuff.
I design, engineer and program all sorts of things.
Oh, and I use Adobe Illustrator with an Epilog Mini.
If this is what you are referring to, here's what is actually stated:
"GLOWFORGE DOES NOT WARRANT THAT ANY PRODUCT COMPLIES WITH ALL APPLICABLE LAWS OR REGULATIONS IN ANY PARTICULAR JURISDICTION. TO THE EXTENT NOT PROHIBITED BY APPLICABLE LAW..."
My interpretation is:
"It is your responsibility to determine whether your use of the Product complies with local laws, regulations, and ordinances. For example, Glowforge makes units available with air filters, but you are still responsible for determining whether the air filter meets the standards required by the laws in your jurisdiction. You may request information about the Product from Glowforge to assist you in making your determination, but Glowforge will not be liable for errors in that information or for your determination. If you do not have sufficient information to determine whether your use of the Product will comply with all applicable laws, regulations, and ordinances, then you should not offer to purchase the Product. If you rescind your offer prior to our acceptance of it, we will refund to you the full amount you paid in connection with your offer. You must also use the Product in strict accordance with the user documentation provided together with the Product."
"Glowforge will be providing the details of its limited warranties for Products on Glowforge’s website at glowforge.com/warranty before Glowforge requests your shipping address and accepts your offer to purchase. By providing your shipping address to us, you acknowledge and agree that you have reviewed the limited warranty for the Product you offered to purchase, and that you accept that limited warranty."
You can request a refund at any time. When the units are ready to ship, Glowforge will ask for an address and publish its final warranty conditions. You can choose to accept and then provide your shipping address or decline and ask for a refund.
Pardon me if I repeat a previous post on the subject but calling the Glowforge a 3-D printer is precisely the same thing as calling my table saw a 3-D cabinet maker or my CNC router a 3-D box maker. I think it is deceptive and downright stupid to call any flat space marking or cutting machine 3-D. Below is a picture of my new 3-D house printer.
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They're aware that some won't like the name. From a recent interview:
"A bit off-topic from the crowdfunding campaign, but I have to ask: Does it drive you crazy to call a laser cutter a 3d laser printer?
Tony Wright : A tiny bit! That was another big discussion. Calling this a “Laser Cutter / Engraver” would’ve been a terrible decision if our goal is to sell this to consumers. Any time we demo’d the Glowforge to people who’d never used a laser cutter, they’d later say, “I really liked that laser printer of yours!” Pretty soon we stopped correcting them. We knew this would annoy some grumpy old school makers, but we’ve been surprised at how few of them are bothered by it. It was a calculated bet that costs us a few sales today, but gave us a category name when we’re talking to laser neophytes – which will be an increasing percentage of our customer base."
Jason, you are the master of quoting verbatim and using it as a diversionary tactic to avoid the original question. It's entertaining and boring at the same time. Let's go back to the beginning.
You followed this:
Originally Posted by Doug Griffith;
With this:
Please tell me what I concluded that is wrong. "you get what you get" maybe?
I design, engineer and program all sorts of things.
Oh, and I use Adobe Illustrator with an Epilog Mini.
You said this:
"So the only way to not own a possible brick is to request a refund before units start shipping. After that, you get what you get."
The "So the only way to not own a possible brick is to request a refund before it starts shipping" is a conclusion you reached based on not being able to read the warranty and return policy because said policies are not available. It's an erroneous conclusion. Your argument is a logical fallacy, assuming that since a policy isn't available it must be the policy you believe. So you're wrong. Or more appropriately, you're not right, because you can't make that statement as true since you countered it in your own post by stating that those policies are not available to evaluate. You're wrong and you proved it yourself.