That terms of sale is quite a read! I wonder how many potential and current owners have actually read it. I did and there is no way I would accept those terms.
That terms of sale is quite a read! I wonder how many potential and current owners have actually read it. I did and there is no way I would accept those terms.
I didn't, the lawyer I happen to have in yesterday on other work did.I believe you are not interpreting that correctly.
You did what !
Yoga class makes me feel like a total stud, mostly because I'm about as flexible as a 2x4.
"Design"? Possibly. "Intelligent"? Sure doesn't look like it from this angle.
We used to be hunter gatherers. Now we're shopper borrowers.
The three most important words in the English language: "Front Towards Enemy".
The world makes a lot more sense when you remember that Butthead was the smart one.
You can never be too rich, too thin, or have too much ammo.
Translation: "I accidently posted something that possibly refutes my previous post, so I'll just pretend I changed the subject."
(Hint: you posted the purse in post #1636, you were still discussing CAD/CAM experience and the whole "one hour after delivery" thing in your previous post #1634.)
Like it or not, that purse is about 90% design, 1% laser cut, and 9% manual assembly. If you really think the person who made that purse couldn't have done it just as easily with a ULS/Epilog/Trotec/Rabbit/whatever, I'd love to hear your reasoning.
Yoga class makes me feel like a total stud, mostly because I'm about as flexible as a 2x4.
"Design"? Possibly. "Intelligent"? Sure doesn't look like it from this angle.
We used to be hunter gatherers. Now we're shopper borrowers.
The three most important words in the English language: "Front Towards Enemy".
The world makes a lot more sense when you remember that Butthead was the smart one.
You can never be too rich, too thin, or have too much ammo.
Lasers : Trotec Speedy 300 75W, Trotec Speedy 300 80W, Galvo Fiber Laser 20W
Printers : Mimaki UJF-6042 UV Flatbed Printer , HP Designjet L26500 61" Wide Format Latex Printer, Summa S140-T 48" Vinyl Plotter
Router : ShopBot 48" x 96" CNC Router Rotary Engravers : (2) Xenetech XOT 16 x 25 Rotary Engravers
Real name Steve but that name was taken on the forum. Used Middle name. Call me Steve or Scott, doesn't matter.
Worst bit the way I see it is a change of T&C AFTER a purchase has been made, that's not even close to legal in the EU hence why the caveat about "legal redress" was added for the non EU market.
I have a FB group member publicly asking why she HAS to accept the new terms to be able to continue using her machine...
You did what !
Where you considering a GF purchase?
For context, the GF TOS are inline with any device with connectivity. Clear the rest of your weekend and get comfortable to read through any of the many overlapping legally-binding TOS for Apple products and services (there's not just one). Apple can discontinue any service to you, at any time, for any reason. Their terms can also change at any time, without notice.
Lawyers can be wrong and some even lose cases.
Sorry Lee, you misunderstand. The purse project was posted as an example of cutting with suitable tolerances to make parts to fit and assemble with each other, not CAD/CAM experience.
Standard boiler-plate legalese.
Of course not! Your reply gets at the heart of my objections to this ill conceived toy. If I buy a laser from some other company, I can keep using it even if the company goes under. I can even get parts from alternate sources. Not so with Glowforge. The terms of service specifically say they can cut me off, and render my laser cutter utterly useless, according to their own determination of what is right. That mile long defensive boilerplate is absolutely not typical for any other piece of equipment I own. Netflix is a subscription too. If they were to cut me off, there is always Amazon Prime or a hundred other alternatives. If Glowforge cuts me off or goes under, I am just out of luck.
There is some guy trying to sell a Glowforge on this forum right now. For the sake of other members, I felt it necessary to ask him to quote the Glowforge policy in resale and secondary access to the server and software. Unfortunately, like most people, he didn't study the terms of service and didn't know. Potential buyers need to know the company position on this matter. It will definitely not improve his resale ability. That is Glowforge's fault.
By the way, I refuse to buy anything Apple as well and for almost the same reason.
So then, does anyone know the approximate ratio of 'works correctly' to 'doesn't work correctly' Glowforges? I have no clue, but it does seem high...?
In contrast, in my home to run my business I have 15 engraving machines of various types, most of them are well beyond their 'average service life; their combined ages is 295 years (316 if you add my old ULS my BIL still uses daily)-- All of them 'works correctly', and always have. In 42 years, 2 power supplies have been my only 'catastrophic' failures, and both of those incidents were rectified within hours.
So, when it comes to machines working, my expectations are a little high
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ELEVEN - rotary cutter tool machines
FOUR - CO2 lasers
THREE- make that FOUR now - fiber lasers
ONE - vinyl cutter
CASmate, Corel, Gravostyle
Not in the EU it isn't, such terms and conditions that attempt to remove or limit statutory rights are illegal hence why the GF EU T&C are differentStandard boiler-plate legalese.
You did what !
So what you are saying Matt is you are correct in saying I am miss-reading the terms (not being a lawyer) compared to a 30 year time served and qualified lawyer who specialises in contract law?Lawyers can be wrong and some even lose cases.
I'm sure you won't be offended if I take more notice of the $1,000 an hour lawyer
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Rabbit RL_XX_6040-60 watt Laser engraving/cutting machine Oh wait its a 3D Printer my bad LOL
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CorelDraw X5
10" Miter Saw with slide
10" Table Saw
8" bench mount 5 speed Drill Press
Dremel, 3x21 Belt Sander
Hah I had not heard this one before.
https://www.xconomy.com/seattle/2018...-laser-cutter/
After that first successful project, we left the Glowforge in the garage for a few days, distracted by the rush of the holidays. The temperature fell. The next time I went to use it, I received an error message: The unit was too cold. We moved it to a warmer location inside my neighbors’ house. It took two full weeks before the Glowforge was ready to work again. I’m not sure if this was a sensor fault that just took some time to reset, or if it was really that slow to warm back up.
This, and other reports/posts I have read about the GF makes it sound almost as if lasers didn't exist before GF.
I found this amusing: "when a clearly pained Glowforge co-founder and CEO Dan Shapiro announced a second delay in the production schedule because of quality concerns: “I’d rather wait for a laser cutter that works well than have a crumby one today.”"
Considering the software is still in development I guess he changed his mind on that, pain or no pain.
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