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    Questions about how to feed a 110/220v single phase motor via a 3 phase 220v outlet

    In my property, my basement/workshop has 2 outlets are 220v 3-phase which are originally(previous owner) powered a dryer and a range. It's my workshop right now, I plan to use those two outlets to power my woodworking power tools, like a 17" grizzly 2hp bandsaw. My question will be is that practical? If yes, what's the best way to do that? Is there any converter power line to buy or I have to make myself a customized one?

    If someone can point me to a tutorial or similar, that would be a great help. Thanks and happy woodworking!

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    Are you sure it's 3 phs??? Did the PO run a convertor or was it actually 3 phs from the power co.? It doesn't sound like this is a commercial property and that must of been a huge dryer and range to run 3 phs? Post a pic of your breaker and that will tell us a bit.
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    Bo,
    Where are you located? Is this a home workshop? (If in the US and your home, you probably DO NOT have 3-phase power.)

    3-phase will have at least 4 conductors, and possibly 5. (L1,L2,L3,Gnd = 4; or L1,L2,L3,Neutral,Gnd = 5).

    Look at the breaker panel feeding your outlets. If CB spans 2 slots, it is probably 220V/1-phase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jesse Busenitz View Post
    Are you sure it's 3 phs??? Did the PO run a convertor or was it actually 3 phs from the power co.? It doesn't sound like this is a commercial property and that must of been a huge dryer and range to run 3 phs? Post a pic of your breaker and that will tell us a bit.
    Thanks for the quick reply. I will post a picture tonite. It is NOT a commercial property. It's a residential single family house. I'm guessing the electric range and dryer is a 3-phase only because the outlet is looks like this.
    41LNG0UCSFL._AC_UL320_SR270,320_.jpg

    I will post a picture of my outlet and breaker on my power panel later. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bo Chen View Post
    Thanks for the quick reply. I will post a picture tonite. It is NOT a commercial property. It's a residential single family house. I'm guessing the electric range and dryer is a 3-phase only because the outlet is looks like this.
    41LNG0UCSFL._AC_UL320_SR270,320_.jpg

    I will post a picture of my outlet and breaker on my power panel later. Thanks!
    Hi, that's a single phase receptacle, which makes sense as homes are single phase with extremely few exceptions.

    If the receptacle is conveniently located simply put a new cord cap on your tool to fit the receptacle. The receptacle has 240 and 120 volts available as it has a neutral...........Regards, Rod.

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    That looks like a NEMA 14-30 which is a single phase 240V 30A receptacle.
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    It has been remarked that if one selects his own components, builds his own enclosure, and is convinced he has made a wise choice of design, then his own loudspeaker sounds better to him than does anyone else's loudspeaker. In this case, the frequency response of the loudspeaker seems to play only a minor part in forming a person's opinion.
    L.L. Beranek, Acoustics (McGraw-Hill, New York, 1954), p.208.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcolm McLeod View Post
    Bo,
    Where are you located? Is this a home workshop? (If in the US and your home, you probably DO NOT have 3-phase power.)

    3-phase will have at least 4 conductors, and possibly 5. (L1,L2,L3,Gnd = 4; or L1,L2,L3,Neutral,Gnd = 5).

    Look at the breaker panel feeding your outlets. If CB spans 2 slots, it is probably 220V/1-phase.
    Thanks for the reply. I'm located in WI, USA. It is a residential house. I do agree with you, in my memory the CB only spans 2 slots. I will double check it.

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    Do you own and know how to use a multimeter?
    Glad its my shop I am responsible for - I only have to make me happy.

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    You have standard single phase residential service (to a 99.99% probability). If your tools are single phase (which is likely) you can just get a plug that matches the outlet and operate them at 240 volts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David L Morse View Post
    That looks like a NEMA 14-30 which is a single phase 240V 30A receptacle.
    If you look closely between the 12:00 and 3:00 contacts, you can see the type of plug. I can just read 'NEMA' but not the rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Whitesell View Post
    If you look closely between the 12:00 and 3:00 contacts, you can see the type of plug. I can just read 'NEMA' but not the rest.

    No need to read it, just match the picture:

    receptacles.jpg
    Beranek's Law:

    It has been remarked that if one selects his own components, builds his own enclosure, and is convinced he has made a wise choice of design, then his own loudspeaker sounds better to him than does anyone else's loudspeaker. In this case, the frequency response of the loudspeaker seems to play only a minor part in forming a person's opinion.
    L.L. Beranek, Acoustics (McGraw-Hill, New York, 1954), p.208.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David L Morse View Post
    That looks like a NEMA 14-30 which is a single phase 240V 30A receptacle.
    It's actually rated 125/250 volts, for 120/240V, they are dual voltage devices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bo Chen View Post
    In my property, my basement/workshop has 2 outlets are 220v 3-phase which are originally(previous owner) powered a dryer and a range. It's my workshop right now, I plan to use those two outlets to power my woodworking power tools, like a 17" grizzly 2hp bandsaw. My question will be is that practical? If yes, what's the best way to do that? Is there any converter power line to buy or I have to make myself a customized one?

    If someone can point me to a tutorial or similar, that would be a great help. Thanks and happy woodworking!
    Since you now know you have a single phase system (all but the largest homes do), will you need help wiring your shop for the tools you plan to put in it?
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    Sounds like he is using the two outlets he already has. Did he say he was rewiring the shop?
    Glad its my shop I am responsible for - I only have to make me happy.

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    Best recommendation would be to hire an electrician. If you don't know what the plug in is, the wiring should be left to a professional.

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