I think you are reading something into my post that isn't there. I am making no judgment one way or the other. And was responding to Steve.
Member
I think you are reading something into my post that isn't there. I am making no judgment one way or the other. And was responding to Steve.
Last edited by Sean Hughto; 06-16-2014 at 10:21 AM.
Administrator
I decide when a new Forum is to be created or removed. I listen to Members of our Community when they offer recommendations or suggestions, whether it is one person or hundreds. Our Moderators often discuss proposed changes before I make the final decision.
I spent a few weeks considering the suggestion to create a new Shop Made Tools, Fixtures and jigs Forum. Honestly it made perfect sense and the decision was made to create the new Forum in a section that everyone could share. This particular topic can easily be buried in the more active Forums. In a few years the new Forum should become a real asset for every group here.
The decision to move threads on this topic to the new Forum is up to the Forum Moderator, I rarely override a Moderators decision.
.
Guest
I have to imagine the forum moderator in this forum will remember the reaction here, and hopefully proceed accordingly. I understand the value of a list/forum of shop tools, etc, especially in the forums that have a lot higher traffic and tend to be a little less esoteric than this section, though.
it's not my forum and thus not my rules, but if a toolmaking thread of mine gets moved to a generalized list of shop tools, I won't make the mistake of investing the time to do it again after that.
Last edited by David Weaver; 06-16-2014 at 11:32 AM.
I agree it can become an asset. but I think it shuld be considered that shop made hand tools and power tool jig are a world apart, and not many will go through 100 special power tool jig threads to find a hand tool one. I'd like to suggest that hand tools and power tool be separated, to keep the forums relevant and easier to navigate.Originally Posted by Keith Outten
I feel the same as David above about having a shop hand tool thread of mine (and many are planed) being placed in a list of random shop jig.
Last edited by Matthew N. Masail; 06-16-2014 at 11:41 AM.
Member
Curiously, I do not see the same discussion (adding a forum) happening in the general forum.
I got cash in my pocket. I got desire in my heart....
Member
This is a solution in search of a problem.
Guest
I hope the shop made tools forum fills up with stuff that makes work for power toolers easier.
I also hope that all of the shop made hand tool stuff stays in this forum so that we can discuss the aspects of how mortises, abutments, mouths, etc are cut and how they impact the performance of a good working plane - which is something FAR beyond what most power toolers will be able to tolerate or contribute to. It would be like me (who views power tools as coarse work items) trying to go up and tell someone what to do with a multirouter. I have no idea. I think they're interesting machines, but that forum doesn't need me saying "that's great" or "really neat" pat on the back type posts on stuff I don't know much about.
If I make a mediocre tool, or even if I get lucky and make a good one, I would like the discussion to center around that tool and the very fine details about it - the things that actually make it worth making - and discuss and field questions and pose questions to others that are very on point.
It's fine with me if other people want to put their tool making threads in such a forum, but it should be up to the discretion of the original poster about where their thread ends up. If an OP later wants a thread moved to the tool making forum, they can request to have that done. The moderators shouldn't be making that decision for us.
Contributor
I don't see how the same sort of discussions that Dave alludes to can't or won't happen if the tool was posted in the new forum as opposed to the Neander one, unless its just because the Neanders themselves will boycott the new forum. Ie: no need to look outside OUR forum to find things of interest to US. I for one would appreciate having the tools listed in a separate forum. I guess I tend to look at lots of different forum's here - I don't just confine my visits or comments to just the Neander forum. I thought this was a woodworking site and I hope to get good ideas and knowledge from power tool users, wood carvers, guitar makers and hand tool users as well. Others may be more narrow in the interests.
Guest
If people have fairly limited time and don't wish to sort through material with M&T jigs, table saw sleds, stuff for sign making etc, how many other folks in those forums do you think will have enlightening discussion about the design elements on a coffin smoother, including things like the angle of the wear, the meeting of the wear, escapements and abutments, etc, to foster good feeding. It takes a certain amount of experience to even get to that point, not just theoretical forum reading.
There are certain things that may have wider appeal, like drawer grooving planes, but as the poster of the thread who spends the considerable time making content and taking time to make it something other people can use, I'd like to be able to determine where I'd put it to shape discussion (and it does take considerable time to stop and take pictures while you're working on something, and then come back here to a system that is not very user friendly to upload pictures two at a time and then go back and add commentary - it could be a cost of two hours when all is said and done for all of the pictures and adding commentary).
At this point in my hobby, I have already gone from the broad interest to the narrow, and as you say, I am one of the people with "more narrow interests". It's not specifically like I'd boycott any forums, that's an active avoidance. It would be more of a passive avoidance for me.
Contributor
Most days the Neanderthal Haven forum is the only one I visit. Usually the only other one I visit is the Off Topic forum.I don't see how the same sort of discussions that Dave alludes to can't or won't happen if the tool was posted in the new forum as opposed to the Neander one, unless its just because the Neanders themselves will boycott the new forum.
Most likely I would miss something of interest if it was posted in some other forum.
jtk
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
- Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
Member
Not sure what the "Tips and Tricks" sticky it supposed to be in the general forum, but perhaps the reason for wanting this new "Shop made tools" forum is because of a lack of a general forum sticky like are own "Neanderthal wisdom sticky".
Guess I like it the way it is, but perhaps "Jigs, Fixtures and Shopmade tools" sticky in the general forum would be a good idea.
Last edited by Judson Green; 06-15-2014 at 7:31 PM.
I got cash in my pocket. I got desire in my heart....
Member
withdrawing my post due to no one bothering to answer
Last edited by Don Huffer; 06-17-2014 at 10:02 PM.
Member
Looking through the neander forum there's plenty of posts about metal working, shaping and heat treating irons and chisels. Yet our Ever Watchful Moderator hasn't found it necessary to move these to the long existing metalworking forum. I for one am grateful for that as the information is typically pretty focused.
I think that fretting the neander projects will be moved and scattered around SMC is premature.
Myself, I'm on the fence about this. It seems like a good idea to have a home made tool forum but then it's Yet Another Forum to wade through. I'm not sure if I'll remember to read it more than once a month.
Building a workbench-shouldn't that part of the Workshop forum? There'll always be some fuzziness about where things belong. But I wouldn't think of looking for a neander bench build there.
-Tom
Reply With Quote
