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Thread: My new SawStop ICS 5HP 52" capacity -- My Journey

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    My new SawStop ICS 5HP 52" capacity -- My Journey

    I will not go over the safety side of the tool nor the politics as those have been beat to death.

    Well I’ve been lusting for a SS since they first came out, but being out of my budget started a savings fund. My Grizzly 1023SLX had served me well but I wanted to upgrade and really like the safety feature. With the last project providing a significant bump in my $$, I bit the bullet and ordered it back in early Feb. It supposed to be delivered on a Friday and it dumped a foot of snow. Long story short 4 separate appointments later (all delayed due to weather) It arrived last Friday! A special thanks to the Tom Temple and The Downing Town PA Woodcraft Store. He was great to work with.
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    Packaging
    Unlike the PCS, the ICS arrives in an all wood crate and a second box for the rails, and the extension top. Eight or so big screws removed and the top of the crate lifts off the base easily. The Saw is not bolted to the packing crate but is well packaged and wrapped. We removed the boxes and the saw was easily removed from the packing crate.
    First step was getting the beast on the industrial mobile base. The powder coat on this is fantastic and very thick. I was extremely pleased with the quality of the wheels on the base. It blows my old shop fox mobile base out of the water.

    Putting it in the Mobile Base
    It took three of us to do four quick lifts to get it on the base. There are two main support bars underneath the base. We lifted it over the first one with a grunt (this sucker is heavy), lifts two and three got it close to the second support and the final lift got it situated on the last support bar. At that point it moved like it weighed a couple pounds. If you get one accessory for your saw this is it! When assembled, I can move it around with a pinky.



    The ICS has great assembly documentation. I had watched a lot of videos on you tube about the ease of assembly with the color coded parts packaging. This is not the case for the ICS. It’s one bag of bolts washers and screws. No big deal, I just dumped them into a magnetic bowl I have and all was ok.
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    Documentation is strait forward and easy to follow. Out of all the nuts bolts and washers, there was a single lock washer missing for the rail. It was not an issue I had a nylon locknut that was substituted and better anyway (Love my bolt bucket). Table was assembled and level in a flash. This thing is machined well. One wing is attached already and you have to put the second on.

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    Installing the Rails for the Fence
    Rail and fence assembly was a tad of a challenge due to its weight. The front and back rail are really heavy. It’s a Biesemeyer style fence similar to the one I had on my Griz except much better quality and the powder coat is thick and nice.
    I used roller stands to support it and align to the top.
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    The counter sunk machine screws takes out any need to align the rail to the table top. You can’t get it wrong. I remember the slots in the shop fox version of this style fence and the up and down adjusting to get it just right. Next step was assembly of the legs to the table top. The brackets have predrilled holes for the screws. Assembly was easy.
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    Another change from the videos I’d seen on the web. The extension top for the 52” fence is just in a plastic back and its own box. In a lot of videos it shows a plastic coating that is peeled of the top to protect it. They must have stopped that or it’s not on the ICS. Not an issue I just removed enough from the bag to get the legs on and then flipped it over and pulled the plastic bag off and installed in the rails. It was a piece of cake.

    I used some bit and blade cleaner to remove the oil on the tube to support the fence. Again very nice and finish was perfect. The only adjustable part is the distance from the steel tube to the side of the SawStop rail which is 1/16th of an inch. I did both ends and put the fence on the table and first try the fence was .005 out of perfect to the blade. A quarter turn of a machine set screw and it was perfect. The fence was a perfect 90 to the tabletop.

    Using the saw and cut quality
    Miter Slots were perfectly aligned to the blade and arbor is running true. I put the supplied 60T SawStop blade on and inserted the riving knife, it locked easily in place. I removed it and put the dust guard insert and that was not as tight as I would like. It was slightly thinner (.005) than the riving knife. I found the documentation on adjusting the tension on that and it was fixed in a jiffy to my liking. They really designed this so you would be willing to easily use the safety equipment. Love it.

    Time to Fire it up! It requires a 30A circuit. Being forward thinking I purchased 10/4 flexible wire to get from saw to outlet. I’d like the capability to have 110 at the saw to support a light or future addition, since it is about 8’ away from anything. The grommet opening for power hookup was only ¾ and the cable would not fit! So I went back and bought 12’ of 10/3 for now to get it running and I’ll take care of that latter by adding a junction box at the saw and wire from the JB to the saw and have a 110 outlet. Cost me an extra 25$ for the wire but just an inconvenience.

    So, wiring was done and time to start it for the first time. I flipped the switch on and no lights? I checked the wiring and all looked ok. Pull the cover on the power box and have 240 at the saw? I was scratching my head and remember the ICS has the disconnect switch for lock-out/tag-our support. It was in the off position. Fixed that and it took about 10 seconds to go through the self-test and was ready. I have to admit, I felt like Chevy Chase in Christmas Vacation and the Christmas light scene.

    Pulled the paddle and she fired right up. I love the bumping the paddle with the knee to cut it off. It flashes green while it spins down and you cannot touch the blade during spin down or it will trigger the brake. However, I don’t know why anyone would want to do that.
    The stock blade is not a bad blade. I cut 4/4, 5/4, and some 12/4 stock. I had a 3hp saw prior to this and can say the 5hp is sweet. It cuts like butter and you really see it on the thick stuff.

    Test cuts were all square and clean on the edges. The only drag I see on that blade is cutting the thick stuff. I had a piece of a bedpost that was a little over 2 5/8” thick. Did some cross cuts and it was square and a pretty decent cut. However it did show saw marks on the end-grain. I have not used the stock miter gauge except to put in in its holder on the saw. I will check it later and report on it. I used my Incra 1000se for miter cuts because that’s what I will be using going forward anyway and not the stock miter gauge.
    I’ve got two Forrest blades on order and will switch when they arrive. ( I sold my old thin kerf ones). I will state that all the cuts are usable with the stock blade and I would use that blade with no reservation. However, after being accustomed to Forrest cuts, I just want that quality. So I give the blade a B+ and will keep it for an emergency blade.

    Dust Collection and the over arm attachment:
    Dust collection is fantastic. With the ICS, the shroud around the blade is heavy duty cast iron with a plastic side gate that opens for easy access to the blade area. Dust is directed down to the rear of the saw via flex pipe. The exit to the rear of the saw does present a challenge for me. I liked using my bench as an out-feed table for my Table saw. With the location of that DC port that will not be possible without building a bridge section. I’ll have to come up with either a new solution, i.e. dropdown hinged table, or build a small bridge to my workbench.
    My only screw up is remembering to close that plastic door when I open it to change the riving knife or blade. It’s magnetic and nothing to it, but twice I forgot and got a bit of dust into the cabinet. That was totally my fault not the saw.
    The over arm attachement comes with an adapter that joins its hose to the main DC at a 90 degree angle. I did not like that setup. I replaced that with an elbow (I know that’s not optimal) and Y joint, and it improved flow. I have a 2hp DC and the length of trip from saw to DC intake is 20’.


    If I were going on a start basis for like I’d give it 6 stars out of 5. (That’s not a misprint). They took a great safety feature and built a truly great saw around it. From the blade brake to the power interconnects to the lockout tag out features its top notch. I figure it will be up to my son’s to deal with it when I’m gone as it’s the last saw I will buy. I really struggled with the cost but no buyer’s remorse now that I have it.
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    Congrats, sounds like a great saw.

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    I still keep wishing my old Grizzly 1023Z would just roll over one of these days but alas it keeps on cutting nicely for me! Congratulations...they are wonderful saws!
    Wood: a fickle medium....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Padilla View Post
    I still keep wishing my old Grizzly 1023Z would just roll over one of these days but alas it keeps on cutting nicely for me! Congratulations...they are wonderful saws!
    I sold the 10 year old 1023slx to help fund. It contributed $800.00 towards the purchase! Great saw.

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    You'll love it. Congrats.

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    I love this saw too. Hate the politics from all sides. But one day I'm gonna pull the trigger too. Green am I!

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    Congratulations. I have the 3HP version and if I had the option now I'd take the 5HP in a heart beat. Have managed to stall the 3HP a couple of times...

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    Sometime later this year, I'll be selling my 3HP SS PCS that was originally a prototype model for testing, and then upgraded to full production model. All the bells and whistles too! Replacing it with exactly what the OP has just installed. ICS 5HP 1-Phase with mobility base, and overarm DC.

    I've been extremely happy with my PCS and just want the additional Ooomph that the ICS 5HP will offer. My PCS has been upgraded with Incra rails and fence system, and has a router table extension. I'll be going back to Incra for my new ICS, but I'm eliminating the router extension in favor of a dedicated router table (Also with the Incra fence). Everything on the SS has been just about as perfect as can be imagined, and the ONLY thing I would change is the 4" Dust Port to a 5 or 6" due to my 3HP Cyclone DC.

    Thankfully, I've never had a braking event either!
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    Congrats Keith! Nice story too. Got me to thinking more seriously about taking that SS leap I've been kicking around for a while.
    Brian

    "Any intelligent fool can make things bigger or more complicated...it takes a touch of genius and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction." - E.F. Schumacher

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    I have had my PCS for a couple of years now and have never had a problem with it. It is the most well engineered, user friendly table saw that I have ever seen. It is finished beautifully and is more accurate than I am. You will enjoy it for the rest of your woodworking life which may be extended due to the saw's safety feature. Have fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mreza Salav View Post
    Congratulations. I have the 3HP version and if I had the option now I'd take the 5HP in a heart beat. Have managed to stall the 3HP a couple of times...
    Wow how the heck do you stall a 3 HP saw?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan Patton View Post
    Wow how the heck do you stall a 3 HP saw?
    I was wondering the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan Patton View Post
    Wow how the heck do you stall a 3 HP saw?
    I am curious too, that's a lot of horsepower for a 10 inch blade.

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    Ripping 3" thick hard maple (with a sharp ripping blade) and pushing a bit too hard (and the wood being under stress and pinching)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mreza Salav View Post
    Ripping 3" thick hard maple (with a sharp ripping blade) and pushing a bit too hard (and the wood being under stress and pinching)...
    I guess stalling is better than kickback but that operation above is something I might relegate to the bandsaw. My spidey senses would be tingling like MAD!
    Wood: a fickle medium....

    Did you know SMC is user supported? Please help.

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