Originally Posted by
Pat Scott
Clif realize there is a difference between a production turner and an experienced turner. Glenn Lucas and Mike Mahoney are production turners, where time is money for them. They make their living from selling what they make, so they need to make more than one or two bowls a day (they do 25+ per day). They spend all day, 5-6 days a week at the lathe, and they have developed a lot of skill over 20 years of doing production work, so don't think you can do what they do. Glenn used to make 4,000 bowls a year, he's down to around 2,000-2,500 a year now. Mike did several thousand a year also but has cut back production work and wants to spend more time on other projects and ideas.
Years ago I was the same as you when I first started, for me it was somewhat frustrating to spend all weekend and only complete one bowl if I was lucky. That's when I figured I could use some pointers so I took Glenn's and Mike's 5-day Signature Class at Craft Supplies (Glenn's twice and Mike's once). It's helped for sure, but I'm no where near Glenn's speed (who in my mind is faster than Mike). Yes it's all about enjoying the process, but for me I enjoy the process a lot more when I don't spend 1/2 the day on one bowl (but it can happen).
Glenn makes 2-1/2 passes on the outside of his bowls to rough them out. I take at least 10-12. But there are many factors leading to Glenn's 2-1/2 passes: lathe that can handle a big cut (3-hp lathe), sharp tools (Glenn's roughing gouge can take up to a 2" wide cut, I only take a 3/4" cut), and of course technique, skill, experience, etc. Also Glenn starts with planks that have been cut on a bandsaw mill, not log form like most of us. This means Glenn doesn't have all the bark and unevenness to deal with (no air-wood-air), and can start right in cutting solid wood with big cuts.
Glenn has devised a fast way to mount and unmount blanks using his stub arbor and modified faceplate. Mike uses a screw center which is what I use. Others use a faceplate, and I started out with a faceplate as well. I don't think Glenn's system would work for me because I don't start with smooth planks.
I can rough shape the outside of a 13"-15" salad bowl in about 12 minutes including tenon. I can completely rough turn a dozen bowls in several hours where Glenn might do the same thing in 1/2 hour. I'm also 18 years older than Glenn and after a few bowls will slow down as I get tired.
For dried salad bowl blanks, I can finish turn the outside and inside and be ready for sanding in as little as 30 minutes, but sometimes it takes an hour or more. This doesn't allow time for embellishments or fancy details, but on a utility bowl you don't want details where food and bacteria can get trapped. I also turn simple shapes but concentrate on a pleasing curve, consistent wall thickness, and proper proportions for height/width and base. Each bowl is of course an opportunity to practice what I've learned, and with practice comes efficiency. I think I spend too much time removing and finishing the bottom, so I'm working on that.
Glenn spends 4 minutes sanding a bowl. Mike said if he spends more than 15 minutes sanding, he's losing money. I spend longer than that. For a utility piece you don't have to inspect it with a magnifying glass to see if you've got every single scratch removed. Glenn uses his sandpaper once and throws it away. I still try and get 2 or 3 bowls from each piece of sandpaper but I am getting better at throwing it away sooner.
As you're starting out, concentrate more on developing your skill, a pleasing shape, nice curve inside and out, consistent wall and bottom thickness, base, etc. Speed comes with repetition. If you can make a bowl in 2 hours that's fine. But if the finished piece looks and feels like crap, then was it worth hurrying? Quality first, then quantity.