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    What is it about what I said that you don't understand?
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    When I was in business I had remodeled 5 drug stores and was on a net 30 with them. I had worked for them for 10 years and they filed chapter 11. I had to make sure my help and suppliers were paid. The suppliers didn't care if I had to take a loan to pay they just wanted paid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerome Stanek View Post
    The suppliers didn't care if I had to take a loan to pay they just wanted paid.
    This is a little different (morally and legally) where the original poster wasn't a supplier or creditor.
    The company was to sell the equipment FOR him and keep a commission.
    It isn't a matter of paying slow.. the OP isn't a vendor.
    Brokering and consigning are much different than extending credit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Stone View Post
    Brokering and consigning are much different than extending credit.
    Exactly - I don't know if it's illegal but it surely is unethical to use the revenue from a consignment sale to pay other bills before you pay the consignee. As far as I'm concerned, it's the same thing with your vendors - if you don't have the money to pay them from cash flow then you better take out a loan. I have had three customers give me the excuse that they are waiting on their customer to pay them before they can pay me - needless to say, they are no longer my customers... The worst part is that they didn't disclose this "little detail" until after I called them to find out why they hadn't paid yet - if they had told me up front then I could have made a decision right then as to whether or not I was going to loan them the money, but they didn't give me that option. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Null View Post
    I'm not suggesting that Access doesn't owe or shouldn't pay their creditors. And my sympathies are certainly with the injured parties in this case but having once been in a situation where it was necessary to perform a juggling act to keep a business going and put food on the table and where it took me an unusually long time to clear my debt (without declaring bankruptcy) I have some understanding of the thought processes of a small business in trouble.
    I see you have a soft spot for access. What would you have done if this happened to you when you were down on your luck. Juggling monies to keep food on the table. We have a corporate policy, 90 days past due and we send it out for collections. There are exceptions like municipal clients. Put a policy in place and follow it to a fault. Comcast, Verizon, utility companies, Macy's, sears and others know how to handle bad debt, they harass the (blank) out of you until you pay.
    If you don't pay they send it out to collections and you receive a lawyers letter certified mail. Situations like this eat you up. Get serious and collect the debt or find out what's going on.
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    I do know the people at Access and I do indeed feel for them. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't meet their obligations.
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    I have been watching this thread with interest as at one point I was talking with Rob about selling him my machine. I had hoped he'd clean this up quickly, but it has become obvious that he's too far in the hole to climb back out... certainly not far enough out to interest me in sending my machine his way without a full cash payment ahead of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Hintz View Post
    I have been watching this thread with interest as at one point I was talking with Rob about selling him my machine. I had hoped he'd clean this up quickly, but it has become obvious that he's too far in the hole to climb back out... certainly not far enough out to interest me in sending my machine his way without a full cash payment ahead of time.
    I'm sure it would have been expensive to take out a loan to ensure his consignees got paid, I bet that amount is less than the business he will lose from this thread alone...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary Hair View Post
    I'm sure it would have been expensive to take out a loan to ensure his consignees got paid,
    But that's the tricky part. A consignee (Access) never has an ownership stake in the equipment,
    and the money never belongs to them. That is much different than owing a creditor. There, at least
    the money you haven't paid yet is yours. As a consignee, the money is never yours. And keeping
    it could mean felony charges of larceny by conversion, depending on the state you operate in.

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    I'd like to add my two cents speaking in generic terms since I have no idea of the facts of the OP's claim. Before I was a laser engraver, I was in law enforcement. Specifically I spent much of my career investigating white collar crime. Chuck Stone is 100% correct. Failure to pay back a loan or failure to pay for merchandise provided to you on credit, is not a crime unless fraud was involved. We no longer had debtors prison and bad debts are civil torts and not crimes. However, also as Chuck pointed out, selling something for somebody else on a consignment basis and then failing to simply pass that money along, is a crime. The consignee has no right to that money and no right to use it for anything. That means using it for other purposes is theft. I have worked many similar cases and mostly involving real estate transactions, but the theory is similar. Now whether or not the OP could actually find a law enforcement agency willing to take this case is another story, but that doesn't make it any less a crime.
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    Such a pity things had to come to this impasse...before I bought my first laser , I rang up Rob and he sat with me for hours on the phone answering all my inane questions..knowing he would not be selling me a machine....
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    It would appear I found this too late.
    I havent been on this forum in a couple years.
    My original experience with Rob and Diane was very good.
    I purchased an epilog from them and everything went smooth.
    But now Im worried.
    I recently purchased a laser from another company that went out of business.
    And Rob told me he would give me $1000.00 for it.
    So I sent it to Rob. (He paid the shipping)
    Problem is.....
    They received the machine May 22nd,
    Diane told me she would have a check sent out to me as soon as she had everything punched into her system. (that was the 23rd)
    Then on June 3rd I sent her an email to get status on the check.
    She told me the check was in the system (Not sure what that means) and she would let me know as soon as it leaves.
    Today I called to get status. No answer....
    And thats when I decided to do a google on Access Business Solutions (To see if anything pops up)
    Sure enough. Sawmill Creek has this thread about them having troubles.
    Now im worried I wont get paid.
    I would have never expected this from Rob and Diane,
    They were so good to me when I bought my laser through them.
    I've recommended so many people to them too.
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    David,

    I heard the Rob had started another business and a little searching brought up this information:

    Rob Bosworth
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    (715) 808-8061
    engraversconnection.com

    Hope this helps!
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    They have a Facebook page for their new business as well, if that's your thing. Might be able to post on there or get comments posted.
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    That's the great thing about America. Business failed? No problem! Just use the ill-gotten gains from your first business to fund another!

    Until you can pay off all of your debtors, you should not be allowed to start a new business.
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