just for bart..well actually its for me too i have a project coming up that will have some real nice curly cherry in it, i want to get all the pzazz i can from it. and have a semi gloss or satin final appearance, what are your suggestions? i am sure that there are some of you that use cherry alot that have it all figured out so thanks in advance.. and bart there are other's with finishing questions, its just that you type faster than we do. thanks again and am glad to see this forum jim.