Why does everything about plumbing have to be so miserable?

[Rich Engelhardt]

I hate plumbing...
I really, really really hate any and everything about plumbing.
Supposedly the Romans had a hand in being the first ones to bring running water inside a house.
Assuming that's true, then it's been over two thousand years that plumbing has been around.
You would think that in all that time, someone would have come up with some way to make plumbing less miserable than a tax audit or being boiled in oil.

I pulled the sink/cabinet to lay a new floor. The faucet had been working fine and the valves, while old, were dry as a bone.
When I put it all back together, the hot supply and the faucet leaked like crazy.
No problem, I picked up two new supply lines , two new shut off valves and a new faucet.

What unwritten law is there that says if you fix a leaking shut off valve on the hot side, the one on the cold side, that didn't leak, but you replace it anyhow because you have everything all torn up & the valve is old so you might as well replace it now and be done with it, will spring a leak?

I replaced the shutoff on the cold side and it sealed fine around the stub from the wall - but - the threads on the supply leaked because they were messed up.
I didn't know that until I removed it.
I replaced the one with the damaged supply threads and the supply connection was fine.....the stub connection leaked..no matter how tight, it leaked..
So, I figured it was bad threads on that connection on that valve so I replaced that valve. That replacement leaked at both the stub and the supply....
So, another new valve and a new supply line for good measure. Supply fine - stub drips...
Another new valve...supply fine, stub drips.

Off to Lowes to pick up a different brand of valve...
Supply fine, stub drips...

Somewhere in the whole process, it appears that the threads on the stub got messed up.

Soooooo it's back to the store for a compression fitting & with any amount of luck I have enough room underneath to swing a pipe cutter and cut off the threaded section of the stub.

Oh yeah,,,,the valve at the main?
Well, that was bone dry before this whole ordeal started....
Now there's a big puddle on the floor...

Looks like my hopes for a 14 inch bandsaw just went the way of the wind & I'll be financing the first semester of medical school for some plumber's kid...

Bah - I hate plumbing.....

[Chris Kennedy]

That pretty much sums up every experience I have had with plumbing.

To be honest, unless it is really basic (i.e. it needs a new washer), I just punt and call a plumber. In the long run, I save time if not money, and a plumber will do a better job than I will. Otherwise, it just becomes scope creep, frustration and endless trips to the hardware store.

Best of luck,

Chris

[Bill Edwards(2)]

Why does everything about plumbing have to be so miserable?

I think there's a law.

[Matt Meiser]

Soooooo it's back to the store for a compression fitting & with any amount of luck I have enough room underneath to swing a pipe cutter and cut off the threaded section of the stub.

Oh yeah,,,,the valve at the main?
Well, that was bone dry before this whole ordeal started....
Now there's a big puddle on the floor...

Pick up one of those cutters that automatically advance and just wrap around the pipe. I used one up inside a wall when I couldn't do anything else. Soooo much nicer.
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Leaky valves....every time I have that happen a slight turn on the nut that holds the packing fixes it. Have to do it every few years on the shutoffs for the slop sink in our garage.

My favorites....when the new shower valve I installed had a pinhole leak in the main casting. Or the compression fitting I used on that started leaking months later once the whole room was done. Thank goodness for PEX--was able to replumb without cutting open the faux-painted wall.

[Lee Schierer]

One thing that most folks are not aware of is that if you over tighten a compression fitting most times it will leak. Compression fittings should be tightened finger tight then 1/4 to 1/2 turn more. Tightening until you can't turn it anymore usually results in the ferrule cocking in the fitting which will result in a leak.

In your defense, I did purchase some shut offs from the BORGs recently and noted they had two price ranges. The cheaper valves had plastic internal parts and the more costly ones had metal parts. The cheaper valves all leaked.

It is not uncommon for a shutoff valve to leak once it is disturbed. As noted, you can usually take care of this by tightening the valve bonnet, another good reason to install ball valves instead of gate or globe valves.

[Mike Henderson]

If it helps, I hate plumbing, also. I've done a fair amount of it (I'm cheap) but I never liked doing it. I'd much prefer to do electrical work.

Mike

[Myk Rian]

One thing that most folks are not aware of is that if you over tighten a compression fitting most times it will leak. Compression fittings should be tightened finger tight then 1/4 to 1/2 turn more. Tightening until you can't turn it anymore usually results in the ferrule cocking in the fitting which will result in a leak.

When I was an Apprentice in the early 70s, one of the old-timers carried 3 tools. A large screwdriver, large Channel locks, and a large crescent wrench. All 3 wrapped in a rag and carried in his back pocket.
He would tighten compression fittings until they squeaked. Only then was it tight, as he would say.

A little story about the fellow, John Mathias. He was a grumpy old cuss, and most of us let him do his thing while staying out of his way.
We had a van used to take people to the various plants in the Ford Rouge complex in Dearborn. He was in the front passenger seat, chewing his tobacco.
The van was filled with 9 or 10 of us. It came time to unload his bacca chew, so he turned to the right, and let it fly, intending to get it out the window that he had forgotten to roll down, resulting in a huge blob sliding down the inside of the window. Absolute dead quiet in the van. Nobody dared say a word.
He wipes his chin and said, "I intended to do that". The dead quiet continued until he was dropped off at the plant he was going to.

[Michael Weber]

I have learned never to use the shut off valves unless it is absolutly necessary. Just asking for problems.

[glenn bradley]

I hate plumbing...
I really, really really hate any and everything about plumbing.

That covers it for me.

[Van Huskey]

I also hate plumbing... I actually don't want to even talk about it.

[David G Baker]

I must be in the minority because I enjoy plumbing and have done quite a bit of it over the years. It is hard work and I would never want to do it for a living. I always spend the money and do it right and never use any shut-off valve that is not a ball valve. I have yet to give PEX a try, I am a copper and iron plumber in most cases. I started plumbing on diesel locomotives as a kid in the Southern Pacific Railroad General Shops in Sacramento California as an apprentice sheet metal/pipe-fitter worker.

[Rich Engelhardt]

Well alrighty then,,,,Say David,,,what you got planned for next week?



The cold beer or single malt is on me!

[Brian Kent]

I echo everybody but David.

Last time I put a wax ring in the toilet I did not shim the toilet, so it rocked ever so slightly. Now I get to pull up the travertine, rebuild the floor, dry it out, re-tile, re-trim, and then hope the next wax seal installation and shimmed toilet hold their position. Who knows what else I will need to replace by the time I remove the sink cabinet and re-secure all of the hoses. I usually get through a bathroom leak for less than $700 if I do all of the work myself.

[Larry Edgerton]

I used to be a journeyman plumber and I hate it more!

In my own house I use 1/2" sweat ball valves under the sink with a sweat in reducer. No problems. Who looks under a sink anyway?

Supply valves. Wolverine Brass........Hint: Not available at the Borg.

I have a my own new house to do, and I enjoy that. But old stuff, forget about it.....

Larry

[Joe Angrisani]

Could be worse. Could be drywall.....