I've got a drill decision - could use some advice

[Mike Rees]

Hey Gang,

So, while building out my work bench I discovered that 1 of the batteries in my current drill is more than likely shot. I have the Makita 6217DWDE. It seems to have decent torque for a 12V rig - its very close in output to its bigger brother 6337DWDE. When I bought it 2.5 years ago, I figured I wasn't giving up that much oomph for the weight / cost savings (at the time the price differance was larger than it is today).

So, in pricing batteries I quickly discovered what most of you already have - for the price of 2 new batteries I can pretty much just re-purchase the exact same drill I have for 20 bucks more. But ...

Should I?

I've always liked my Makita, and w/ the NiMH batteries I don't have to stay on top of them very much (though obviously throwing them in the charger once a month for a good 12 hours was probably something I should have done in retrospect). The battery I had left in my drill most of the time never failed to run even if it sat for long periods. Once charged, it performed just fine.

Since I'm going to be building a shed next spring (among some other side projects), I started to wonder if I should jump up to the 14.4 V models. I began to see that most manufacturers are moving from 14.4 V to 18 V. It seems my 2 options for 14.4 are the bigger brother Makita or the DeWalt DCD920KX.

I know what I'm getting w/ the Makita - in fact given the rather small bump in torque between the 14.4V and 12V makita I might even just rebuy the drill I have and use one to drill and one to fasten.

I like the way the DeWalt feels and it seems like its a stronger tool from what I read in the reviews. The thing that gives me pause is the XRP batteries. If I read the user manual correctly, if I'm not using this tool every day for a living I have to plug the batteries in 1x a week and let them maintance charge for a good number of hours. Otherwise the battery performance will suffer until I recondition the batteries (which would kind of put a time dent on my projects?).

So what say you guys? Is my read on the DeWalt tool accurate or should I stay w/ the Makita line?

Mike

[Tom Veatch]

You like your existing drill, but don't want the expense of new batteries. Seems like an obvious choice is to rebuild your existing batteries for $40 - $50.

http://mtobattery.com/store/page2.html
http://stores.ebay.com/Battery-Pack-Rebuilders-LLC
http://www.primecell.com/pctools.htm

I'm very happy with the 12v Ryobi and 18v DeWalt batteries I've had rebuilt. I think the first link above is an SMC denizen, but I'll not swear to it.

[David Freed]

I'm not sure what an XRP battery is, but with the description you gave, it sounds like old technology. This is the drill I intend to get.

http://www.cpomakita.com/drills/18v_...bhp454&sissr=1

According to an independant test and review, it recharges in 15 minutes, drills more 1" holes and drives more 3" screws into a 4"x4" and holds a charge while stored longer than the other 9 drill brands tested. They gave it the "best drill" award.

P.S.

You like your existing drill, but don't want the expense of new batteries. Seems like an obvious choice is to rebuild your existing batteries for $40 - $50.

I didn't know you could do that. Sounds like a winner to me.

[Kent A Bathurst]

Read a lot of positive reviews on the Makita black drills, but there is $$ involved.
BTW - I learned your lesson some years ago, so I got extra batteries when I was forced to buy new gear - same issue you are facing. One dead and gone. Others sruising fine.

[Mike Rees]

Read a lot of positive reviews on the Makita black drills, but there is $$ involved.
BTW - I learned your lesson some years ago, so I got extra batteries when I was forced to buy new gear - same issue you are facing. One dead and gone. Others sruising fine.

This one? http://www.amazon.com/Makita-BDF452H...6506954&sr=8-4

[Buck Williams]

I don't know if you are close to an HD, they currently have an in store deal, bring in your old drill and get 15% off a new coedless drill. The Makita BDF452H mentioned is a sweet drill.

[Mike Rees]

I don't know if you are close to an HD, they currently have an in store deal, bring in your old drill and get 15% off a new coedless drill. The Makita BDF452H mentioned is a sweet drill.

Oh, I have one 5 minutes away from the house - except once you figure tax back into the equation it ends up being pretty much equal to what I can buy it for from Amazon. Plus, I can keep my current drill if I choose. I think the HD thing is a good deal if you need it *NOW*. At least for this particular drill.

[David Freed]

Makita 18V BHP454 | $329

Amp-Hour: 3.0 / Weight: 4.9 lb. / 3-in. drywall screws: 227

What we liked ----All three testers agreed the Makita was one of the best
------------------power tools they’d ever used. Some talented engineers
------------------designed its high-torque motor and drive­train to squeeze
------------------every ounce of performance from the battery. It also
------------------exhibits excellent industrial design. For a large and heavy
------------------drill, it’s well-balanced and handles easily due to a nicely
------------------shaped handle with lots of rubber overmold.

What we didn't ---The switch to change from hammer to the drill or drive
------------------functions is just too hard to slide.

Bottom Line-------• • • • • BEST OVERALL

I would guess the 452 would rate pretty high also because it is the same design; just a little smaller.

[David Freed]

Here is the Amazon link.
http://www.amazon.com/Makita-BHP454-...6507980&sr=1-1

The 454 costs $100 more because it has 560 in/lb of torque is a hammer drill. The 452 has 450 and isn't. With Makita's reputation the 452 might be a good choice for the price, but I haven't seen any comparison tests on it.

[Mike Rees]

Here is the Amazon link.
http://www.amazon.com/Makita-BHP454-...6507980&sr=1-1

The 454 costs $100 more because it has 560 in/lb of torque is a hammer drill. The 452 has 450 and isn't. With Makita's reputation the 452 might be a good choice for the price also, but I haven't seen any comparison tests on it.

Definitely don't need a hammerdrill - but I'm wondering if these silver units have the same stoutness built into them as the teal colored ones I'm used to seeing?

[Neal Clayton]

Definitely don't need a hammerdrill - but I'm wondering if these silver units have the same stoutness built into them as the teal colored ones I'm used to seeing?

no, they don't.

i've used both. the green ones are generally heftier, stronger, batteries last longer, etc. that's why they cost 100 more.

i have the one david linked on the previous page. a couple of days a week, i use it for 6+ hours a day. holds a charge on one battery that long usually, might have to switch to the spare late in the afternoon. have dropped it ~30 feet onto a concrete driveway while hanging windows once, still works .

[Kent A Bathurst]

Yep. Him. Caveat - Don't have one - just read about it.

[Mike Holbrook]

My old 18 volt Makita batteries are gone. I bought a Makita 14 volt Impact Driver and Drill set at the Atlanta woodworking show a few years ago, just before the lithium drills came out. The 14 volt Makita Impact Driver seems over powered to me. I have a hard time not driving screws out the far side of boards when I use it.

I have a 12 volt Hitachi Impact Driver that I have driven countless screws with during several good size building projects, maybe I just got use to it's touch and feel. I do a fair amount of construction though and 12 volts seems like plenty for driving screws up to 3" and even drilling pilot holes. I can't imagine needing 18 volts for driving screws or pilot holes. If I want to drill a big hole I'm going for the big corded Bosh or the new Milwaukee angle drill. Or maybe the new/vintage Millers Falls Brace I won on Ebay and an auger bit. Sometimes the auger bits in the big Bosh try to turn me.

I think my next battery drill will be a Lithium 12 volt, maybe even less. I am about to try driving screws with the 'hand Drills" I got on Ebay. There are about 200 screws & bolts needed to put up a 50' x 24' party tent. Then I have to replace walls and flooring in my 8' x12' chicken house to convert it to a home for German Shepherd pups... Then I have to enclose a 21' x 16' area under a porch, shees that's a bunch of screws.....

Maybe I will have to run one of my old drills up to the depot and do the trade in for a new Lithium Drill. When you are driving as many screws as I do you start to feel the weight of a big drill by the end of the day, sometimes sooner ;-} The 14 volt Makita I bought last does not seem much less powerful than the old, original 18 volt Makita I have. It has been several more years so I am guessing a 12 volt may be comparable to an older 14.... but then all the drills have gotten lighter too....Maybe I'll play around with braces and drill accessories.

[Matt Stiegler]

I know what I'm getting w/ the Makita - in fact given the rather small bump in torque between the 14.4V and 12V makita I might even just rebuy the drill I have and use one to drill and one to fasten.

If it were me, and I were happy with the drill I had, I'd probably do this, have the convenience of two drills, and spend the savings on some other marginally necessary tool instead.

[Scot Ferraro]

You could take your drill to Home Depot and get 15% off the purchase of a new Lithium Ion drill -- that's what I did today with my 9 year old Makita that was failing me...bought a new 14.4 volt Hilti -- expensive, yes, but not all that much more than some of the other offerings and it felt great. Has plenty of torque and power to boot.

Scot