i wanted to thank bill grumbine for the invitation to the picnic in advance, i know he has had others and i also hear that there are others doing the same in differnt locals. for someone to open there shop, there home and invite complete strangers in says an awful lot about them and the forum the reside in. i am very thankful to have found this forum and those of you who are involved. be it the pros to the beginners like me and all in between. am definatly looking forward to going and am leaving this afternoon for the great state of PA to see the man and his friends that are involved in a very rewarding endeavor. thanks again to all of you here and Bill especailly.//larry