He was really nice. I thought the main reason he wanted to talk to me was to try to upsell laser power, but he was the one that suggested it would be ok to start low and upgrade power later, if needed. He did say that the zing would really be best for engravers only. By the time you add the vector cutting grid and other accessories needed for cutting, you are near the price of the Mini. I plan to go look at a unit maybe next month and watch it engrave and cut in person.