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    Yes, Im referring to the statement that the...

    Yes, Im referring to the statement that the dates were pushed back another month that Dave made. I think maybe dave was hoping wed take his word and not call him out. No need to throw more...
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    Where did you see this? Latest update says...

    Where did you see this? Latest update says they're on schedule.
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    Well they're operating comfortably on investor...

    Well they're operating comfortably on investor seed money and have all the income from pre-orders earning an estimated .75% interest. If they go bankrupt it's going to take a REALLY long time. More...
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    LOL I used the money from my Glowforge refund to...

    LOL I used the money from my Glowforge refund to buy the 3d printer :)
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    I just got a Form2 3d printer, I'll have to try...

    I just got a Form2 3d printer, I'll have to try making some jigs.
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    There is a recent tested.com video that mentions...

    There is a recent tested.com video that mentions an engrave took 40 minutes and it wasn't a complicated or large piece. I would guess the 3d sample that GlowForge posted took quite some time. They...
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    That assumes a direct to consumer model, but for...

    That assumes a direct to consumer model, but for some people laser engraving isn’t the business they are in, but instead the laser is just one of several tools they’re using to produce their products.
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    that kind of variable depth engraving is my...

    that kind of variable depth engraving is my favorite part of laser engraving. One of the things I've learned is that the Glowforge is incredibly slow. It took 40 minutes to engrave what appeared to...
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    You through the problem in stark perspective:...

    You through the problem in stark perspective: “Confusing to me complexity”. If I were creating personas for laser users, you’d fall into the “Experienced switcher” persona. From a business standpoint...
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    This is completely uncalled for. Don’t take my...

    This is completely uncalled for. Don’t take my getting a refund as equivalent to “seeing the light”, and definitely don’t assume it means I agree with you. Also it implies you only respect people who...
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    Exactly. That's where UX designers come in. Our...

    Exactly. That's where UX designers come in. Our job is to understand the users of our software and design an experience that fits our user's mental model. Laser manufacturers don't seen to have UX...
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    First of all, I'm not carping about anything and...

    First of all, I'm not carping about anything and I'm getting tired of you responding so defensively, because I'm not attacking you. Grow up and have a discussion. You're just as bad as the blind...
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    First of all, there is no gold standard. There...

    First of all, there is no gold standard. There are specific heuristics we use to evaluate the quality of a given applications user experience. You also have to take into account the personas (the...
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    I think the major loss to me not getting a...

    I think the major loss to me not getting a Glowforge is the software experience. I don't care much about the camera stuff (and thus far GF has struggled with positioning accuracy and patently refuses...
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    My refund came through today. Time to start...

    My refund came through today. Time to start putting together cash for a Trotec or ULS.
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    Any US Trotec or ULS reps around?

    If you folks are monitoring, please PM me, I am in the market and ready to buy.
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    All of my machines either came with or have been...

    All of my machines either came with or have been swapped over to SSD. You'll see dramatic speed improvements on boot times, app launches, and file loads. Spinning disks should only be used for long...
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    That's exactly what I finally realized. My...

    That's exactly what I finally realized. My original line of thinking was "I can get what I want and save money" when what I should have been thinking was "how much am I willing to spend so I can...
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    They have 2 funding rounds plus 30 million in...

    They have 2 funding rounds plus 30 million in pre-orders, so I'm not as worried about that. Been waiting 16 months, I'm done waiting. I want to MAKE STUFF
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    I'm not going to jump on the bash train, but...

    I'm not going to jump on the bash train, but there are quite a few annoying claims and "no duh" statements in the full e-mail I received. There's also a sample of the 3d relief engraving and a...
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    Hate to say it, but I was wrong. I'm cancelling...

    Hate to say it, but I was wrong. I'm cancelling my Glowforge order. Any suggestions on alternatives? Preferably with at least a decent software experience?
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    You guys are really bitter aren't you? Yes,...

    You guys are really bitter aren't you?

    Yes, pre-release units are shipping now, people are already receiving them. The shipping schedule is going to be released tomorrow (Friday of this week...
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    Specific shipping dates will be released on...

    Specific shipping dates will be released on Friday.
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    I used an Epilog frequently at a makerspace. It...

    I used an Epilog frequently at a makerspace. It wasn't the use it was poor maintenance practices that wore it out. They didn't train users enough on proper use, and they didn't clean or maintain the...
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    Glowforge has already promised to open-source the...

    Glowforge has already promised to open-source the firmware to ease the fear that GF going under would brick the machine. It's inevitable that some enterprising software engineer will create an...
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