Don, I got the lathes from Joe Osolnik (Iwill send the link), the deal is that one person pays the money and it has to be delivered to that person (You need a friend with a loading dock as all five lathes come on one skid - 106 lbs each). I then delivered the lathes and picked up the checks. here is the link - http://www.osolnikmachinery.com/inde...ROD&ProdID=696 The lathes arrive in just two days and in great shape. Joe Osolnik is a great guy to work with but you have to have 5 lathes or more for this deal. Hope this helps. Bill