Jet DC Cannister v. felt bags que

[Stan Smith]

I have the Jet 1100 and have added 5 micron bags. I would like to hear from anyone who has retrofitted their dc with the new cannister that has come out. I'm considering one, but don't want to fork out the $$ unless there is a marked improvement over the bags. Thanks for responses.

Stan

[Kurt Krauter in Indy]

Stan:

I changed my regular delta sack for the Jet cannister about 3 months ago and am very pleased with the results. It is much more powerful in the suck dept and cleaning is a real breeze with the "fingers".

I would highly recommend the switch.

Kurt

[Derek Arita]

I have a Jet 2hp retrofitted with the cannister. There was a marked improvement over the stock set-up. I use a felt bag on the bottom instead of the plastic bag set-up. I found, thru informal tests, that the felt bottom bag gave me a little more suction than the plastic bottom bag. I can only guess that the felt bag breathes better than the plastic, therefore allows more air movement.

[Stan Smith]

Well, thank you two for your input. I do have the felt bag on the bottom as well. My wife sewed on the top ring so it's easy to remove for emptying. I guess I'll see if I can find out where to order the cannister. I still haven't put in a dc system. I just move the dc around a little bit and hook it up directly to the machines with a quick disconnect. I'll post again when I get the cannister and have it installed. However, someone told me to post when I got my mortiser set up and going. I did and there is not a single response. Makes one wonder about posting.

[Derek Arita]

Along with the cannister, came a metal "ring" that has the 5" input to the bags on it. It's the ring that the bags attach to...I just don't know what it's called so I'll call it a "ring". Anyhow, the stock ring on the DC1200 has a circular ramp in it. I would imagine that it is there to guide the finer dust up into the upper bag. The new ring has a large, flat, donut in the middle that simply allows the flow of air from top to bottom. For whatever reason, suction was better with the stock ring as opposed to the new ring. All I can figure is that the stock ring is more open, therefore allows more air flow. I don't know what the stock DC1100 ring looks like and come to think of it, you may not have a choice of whether or not to use it. Just thought I'd let you know.

[Bill Pentz]

An alternative is to simply make your own setup. To do so you need one of the special wide pleated filters designed to handle lots of dust and airflow. Most fine cartridge filters are setup where they need a cyclone or prefilter, so you need the right kind. The right ones have about half the total filter area and are coated with a release agent that lets the dust fall right off as soon as the airflow stops. A couple of taps and it is ready to go again.

They make these in paper poly combinations, but the result can not be washed so is only good for a few years. You also can buy them in all spun poly that are good for four plus years as they can be fully washed to bring them back like new.

The one I have is from Wynn Environmental Filters (http://www.wynnenv.com/torit_filters.htm) Part number 2A100SBOL for $126. This one has a good bottom seal, so you don't need to modify a thing or make any special adapter for it to work on most dust collector bag trees.

Ideally you should have a filter with outer but no inner metal (unlike mine), the wide pleats, a top with a hole, the release coating, and 100 to 125 square feet in a 12.75" diameter 26" tall unit or there abouts.

And yes, I know it would be better with my filter that has the inner metal if I made a canister to sit on top of your DC. Doing so has some advantages, but is more work. The canister would push the air through the filter the way it was designed to work and put all the dust on the outside making for easier cleaning. The trade off is more work building and sealing a canister, versus more work cleaning your filter without the canister. With the canister around the filter, cleaning becomes a simple matter of blowing air (not too much pressure or will ruin the filter) through the open top hole with all in place. The dust will fall right into the bag below.

In any case,

http://cnets.net/~eclectic/woodworking/cyclone/DCConversion/FilterTop.jpg

http://cnets.net/~eclectic/woodworking/cyclone/DCConversion/FilterBottom.jpg

To upgrade my Jet DC-1100 took about five minutes. I only needed: [list=1]
That filter;
A 28" long 1/4"-20 threaded Rod;
A nice looking threaded knob for the top of the filter;
A couple of nuts with lock washers to secure on each side of the cross bar; and,
Some poly bags to replace the lower collection bag.
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http://cnets.net/~eclectic/woodworking/cyclone/DCConversion/hardware.jpg
http://cnets.net/~eclectic/woodworking/cyclone/DCConversion/Mount.jpg

The result works like a champ and only cost $5 plus the filter.

http://cnets.net/~eclectic/woodworking/cyclone/DCConversion/DC.jpg

For those on a tigher budget, you might want to consider the EFilterMan (http://www.efilterman.com/showcat.php?categoryid=1) Model STXL-110 121884003 34" Tenkay Spun Bonded Polyester 106 With this one, you might have to do some modification to the filter top to make it fit.

Hope this helps..

bill pentz

[Herbert Yost]

Bill....

I can't tell from your picture: do you have only one filter, or two stacked filters?
Herb

[Stan Smith]

The inside of my Jet 1100 looks a little different than Bill Pentz's. Currently there are only the bags. The only support is a ridge on the bottom of the center ring that supports the lower bag. I did order the retrofit part from Amazon. However, the shipping date isn't until after the 22nd of April. Who knows how long the backorder wait will be? I like the idea of a lower top section with the cannister. Again thanks for your input. I toyed with the idea of trying to make a modification, but then decided to go with Jet's.

Stan

[Bill Pentz]

Laughing.. I posted this because I was getting flooded with emails.. Think it all backfired as got even more!

Anyhow, please refresh your browser when looking at my original post as I updated it to answer the questions.

bill