Yet Another DC Question...Grizzly

[Dustin Powers]

Hello All! First Post Here!
I'm just setting up shop in a 1 and half car garage. I'm sure I'll have a lot of future questions but I wanted to get started with a dust collector. I had been looking at the Grizzly G0548 2 HP DC and right when I finally start to order from Amazon it goes out of stock. So then I'm looking at the G1029Z which is 2 hp but it has a 2.5 micron bag and most reviews seem to think this is a bad thing and reduces power. I like the grizzly brand and plan to order several grizzly tools in the future but should I look somewhere else?

Also any thoughts on the G9956 air filter that hangs from the ceiling?

Right now I have a small table saw and miter saw. I'm ordering a scroll saw for some Christmas projects. In the near future I would like to add a jointer and planer and then upgrade the table saw. Of course I should just be running one tool at once. My garage is about 21'x20'.
Thanks!

[Brad Townsend]

I generally take many of the "reviews" on Amazon with a grain of salt, especially when it comes to power tools. Having a bag with 2.5 micron filtration is a GOOD thing. The alternative is collecting the dust and putting the fine stuff back into the air and eventually into your lungs. I suspect the 1029Z will do a great job for you.

[Dustin Powers]

Thanks for the reply I was thinking along the same lines. One reviewer says the bottom dust bag is like 30 micron and all the fine dust still escapes...is that plausible. Anyway though it is a small shop and just having a dust collector will be a good thing. My wife will keep if I leave a one inch layer of dust over everything!!

[Brad Townsend]

Thanks for the reply I was thinking along the same lines. One reviewer says the bottom dust bag is like 30 micron and all the fine dust still escapes...is that plausible. Anyway though it is a small shop and just having a dust collector will be a good thing. My wife will keep if I leave a one inch layer of dust over everything!!
Proof enough that the reviewer was uninformed (that's putting it politely). That DC is intended to be used with a plastic bag at the bottom.
http://www.grizzly.com/images/pics/jpeg288/g/g1029z.jpg

[Heather Thompson]

Dustin,

I would suggest doing ALOT of research concerning the issue of dust collection before pulling the trigger, the really fine stuff is what will shorten your woodworking lifespan. I have a 3HP Commercial unit from Oneida, capturing at the source is what you really want to due, I still wear a dust mask while doing some operations.

Heather

[Dustin Powers]

What should I get for piping or duct work for the DC? For the most part I will just be rolling tools to a work area so should I just get a flexible 20' hose to connect to the machine while working? The miter saw is on the other side of the garage so I will need to run something to that...I could possibly do that through the attic to get across the room. If I do attic it would be easier to use something flexible in the attic so I could get it out of the way.
Thanks!

[John Williamson]

I have the 1028Z that came with 30 micron bags. I later added the cannister filter on top with plastic bags on the bottom and it works like a champ. My longest run is to the jointer through about 25 total feet of pipe. If you are planning on rolling from machine to machine a 1.5hp should sevve you well. If you think that you may add ductwork somewhere down the road a 1029Z would be a good choice.

[Rick Moyer]

The simple answer is there are no simple answers. You really need to go to Bill Pentz's site and read all about dust collecting and then decide what's right for you. Many will say that the really fine dust is the real problem and is the most difficult to corral. If you just want to get the stuff you would normally sweep up (not generally regarded as good enough, however), then any you mentioned should do that.

Do a lot of reading about dust collection and make your own informed decisions.

Personally I decided on the Grizzly G0440 for the value and fan curve that seems to be what will work best for me. I have not yet picked it up from Grizzly. Good luck in your reading!

[Maurice Ungaro]

As Rick has suggested to you: read, read, and read some more. Compare performance ratings and above all, DO NOT SETTLE for any collection system that does not capture sub-micron particles.

[Phil Thien]

If it were me, I'd pick one of the units that has done well in the magazine reviews (the Delta 760, or the Grizzly for example) where the user experiences posted here have reinforced what was printed in black and white.

While it is easy to focus on the filter stage, you don't want to overlook CFM, either. Either the Delta or Grizz will deliver in both categories.

[Joel Earl]

Phil has some good comments but again I will add another unit. By far my favorite DC - not talking a cyclone but a plain DC.

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[glenn bradley]

Read till it hurts; here and elsewhere. In the end it will be a balance of factors we can only try to help with ;-) My dad has had the DC2000B for a couple of years now and it does a very nice job for him. He has it in a small add-on building outside the shop to keep the really fine stuff at bay. This setup was very attractive to me and I was leaning heavily that direction but with the Griz 3HP.

Due to several factors, an add-on shed wouldn't work for me. I added the cost of the shed to the DC an went with a 2HP Griz cyclone so I could keep it in the shop. Dad runs 6" S&D PVC and reduces to 4" at a blast gate with a few feet of flex before each machine. I will probably do something similar in ducting. His works like a champ. Mine just got here and is not set up yet.

[Fred Belknap]

That's correct it has a plastic bag on bottom. Mine leaked a small amount of fine dust around the plastic bag band. I put a roll of rubber tape as a gasket under it and stopped the leak. I have now routed it through the wall so it now is a non problem but realize many don't have that option. IMO it's a pretty good machine especially for the money.

[Sonny Edmonds]

What should I get for piping or duct work for the DC? For the most part I will just be rolling tools to a work area so should I just get a flexible 20' hose to connect to the machine while working? The miter saw is on the other side of the garage so I will need to run something to that...I could possibly do that through the attic to get across the room. If I do attic it would be easier to use something flexible in the attic so I could get it out of the way.
Thanks!

Long ago, I had a brand new roll of 4" x 20' of DC hose.
As an experiment I connected it to my then new Delta 1 1/2 HP, 1200 CFM rated DC and laid it out straight in my shop.
Oh, it would pull dust... sort of... if I threw it into the end of the 20' of hose!
Keep your pipes long, and your hose short.
I use these Delta Quick Connects (http://www.deltaportercable.com/Products/AccessoriesDetail.aspx?ProductID=14212)on my equipment (even the stationary one's)
And I've gotten well over a decade of service from my plastic blast gates.
The plastic blast gates will fit right into the I.D. of 4" S&D pipe.
A short piece of hose to connect from the machine and the blast gate and you are collecting.
But no long hoses! ;)

[Bob Slater]

I almost pulled the trigger for the 2HP canister Grizzly , but upsold myself to a Cyclone. . I like the fact that the ducting coming from the impeller is steel rather than a hose. I think a canister would be better in the long run.

[Rod Sheridan]

Hi Dustin, I started out with a bag type collector, was unhappy with its performance and went to a 1.5HP Oneida Cyclone.

What a difference, no fine dust everywhere.

I was so pleased with it that my brother purchased a 2HP Commercial unit from Oneida.

I know it's tough to spend that kind of money on a dust collector, however your lungs will thank you in 15 years.

Dust collectors run whenever you are using machinery, so they see the most number of hours of any tool in your shop. Purchase a good quality unit that you won't have to replace.

Regards, Rod.

[Deb Malloy]

Also, in the market for a dust collector. A lot of info to sort thru.

If I have this right, are the collectors with canisters better than the ones with bags ? Or will a bag work just as well with a Two Stage Cyclone Separator.

And would 220v be better than 110v.

Thanks in advance guys,
Deb