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Joe Spackle
11-13-2008, 2:35 PM
== Making oval molding ==


I had the opportunity to create oval molding for a beveled piece of glass in an air lock door. The glass is quite old ( the door is a replacement in a historic restoration home) so I had to build the door from the glass outward to get it all to fit properly

the first thing to do is to template the glass

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If I do not have a piece of glass I make the oval per the usual ways (string and three nails works well) this time I had to use the existing unit so I just trace it 1/8" larger than the glass

Next I set up a compass and scribed a line 1/2" inside the glass size (to create the rabbet to hold the glass) , then with a jigsaw cut close to the line and removed the center piece.

Then with a curved back sanding block and a coarse grit sanding belt I sanded the template to the line all the way around. Once I was satisfied the template was smooth and the edges clean to the line, I set the template on the panel the glass goes in.

I clamped it down against the reference lines I started with on the template and cut the panel center out using a 1/2" 1/2" long top bearing router bit made by Ocemco. I drilled a starter hole in the waste, and made a router cut all the way around the template. This is a bit hard on a router and bit and there is always the jigsaw, but in my experience the router generally leaves a very guideable surface without tearout in the panel done this way. Once this cut is made I use the rabbet made by the router to cut the rest of the way through then make a finish cut to take off the rest of the jigsaw cut.

Now for the oval moldings First I calculate the width of stock I need to make a four piece layup on the template This is a matter of width and about 5 extra inches of length to get the parts I need Next I determine the angle of the center joints and cut each piece at that angle ( this time it was 31° they all vary so you have to check) then I cut a 1/8" rabbet 1 1/2" deep on each miter on the back side of each piece so the joint would have more support than just a end grain butt joint. I made two splines 3/16" thick 3" long and 5" wide.

To glue these up I turn them upside down, and using hand screws to hold them flat on the table I then put glue on the end grain, clamp them to the table, put a bar clamp across the hand screws and pull the joint together. then I glue the spline and clamp it into the rabbets.

While the glue cures I build the carrier for the molder The process is not tough you need to make the lead and tail longer than the finished molding by 5-6" ( this allows you to get the molding started into the machine without the feed drive engaging) I make these legs straight for oval cutting arches I make follow the radius. Now lay the piece you are making the carrier with under the same template you made the window cut, and trim the inside curve Once this cut is made get the compass and mark out the width of the molding and cut the carrier just outside the line once again. Then sand to the line. Once this is done I take a piece straight molding and measure to the highest point of the molding and set the compass at this width, so I have a reference for drilling holes for screws to hold the molding to the carrier.

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Now screw the molding to the carrier . I generally use a straight piece of stock to set the knives for correct width and to set the follower. the manual says to snug up the adjustable follower then add one to one and one fourth turns to be sure the stock stays in plane as it is fed . Now set the depth of cut thickness of the stock + the carrier+ 1/4" for the auxiliary table. I do something not recommended by any of the manufactures of these molders and that is I raise the cutter head 1/2 turn so I can run the cut twice. This will work but the feed rollers need to be set just a bit tighter than the manual recommends and the table as well as the carrier should be well waxed. the slicker the base is the better the feed acts.

now start the machine and align the carrier with the bearings and begin the feed. I have found the first inch or so tends to need a bit of wiggle to make the carrier go past all the bearings but once this is done just support the stock so it doesn't try to snipe once started.
The shots below are of the second pass, I babysit the first cut pretty intently
Start of the cut
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just into the curve

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Just about halfway



past halfway coming out
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff168/BCStudios/molder/molder038.jpg

nearing the end

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff168/BCStudios/molder/molder040.jpg

The finished piece

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff168/BCStudios/molder/molder026.jpg

Notice the right end is blown off, this is why when you are running ovals you need the stock to be longer than the finish. you are molding completely cross grain on a narrow section and the knives don't particularly like this part of the cut, so be aware of this as you create your pieces.



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Now to make the second half of the molding use the same carrier turned over and screwed down as before.

That is it for the molding except that the two will still need joined and I will make a similar rabbet as I did for the centers and glue up the same way. The cuts worked very well, I was pleased with the end results.

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If pics are missing I am under site limitatations I cannot control (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff168/BCStudios/molder/molder043.jpg)

Peter Quinn
11-13-2008, 7:56 PM
Very good pictorial Joe. Thanks for that demo. When you say that you adjust the roller tension a bit tighter than the manual recommends can you be more specific? I just got one of those shop fox molders and was considering taking a shot in the dark and buying the W&H multi pass retrofit kit for older W&H molders to see if it would work on the shop fox. Are you suggesting two passes can be accomplished effectively without further modification?

Jim Becker
11-13-2008, 9:11 PM
Thanks for that pictorial, Joe!!! I think that many folks don't realize how nicely these molders can produce "non straight" components.

Joe Spackle
11-13-2008, 9:15 PM
Yes two passes can be accomplished with the stock rollers.

Mind you the second pass is no more than 1/2 turn on the crank handle, and that the beds and guides must be waxed to keep things slick. The feed rolls also have to be clean and sticky ( the older the rollers get the lees sure the process is ) but a wipe down with lacquer thinner seems to give me the best results.

I should also caution you about running round or thin top molding profiles this way. I once witnessed a W&H chew a very nice piece out of the feed rollers due to ignoring the combination of the three things I mentioned above Then kick the molding right out of the machine. it was a straight cut and the stock had not been thicknessed beforehand ( still rough)

Not a pretty or safe situation.

Joe

Peter Quinn
11-13-2008, 9:53 PM
Thanks for that info Joe. I've seen things go wrong a few times on other shapers and molders. I know where I wont be standing on test cuts.

Chris Padilla
11-14-2008, 6:14 PM
If pics are missing I am under site limitatations I cannot control (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff168/BCStudios/molder/molder043.jpg)

Joe,

You are limited to 5 pics per post. Just make more posts and add the pics. :) Cool stuff!