Scott Wigginton
10-29-2008, 10:13 AM
I'm calling out to SMC for some help on a bunch of ideas my brain has been tossing around (MS cashback is just fuel on the fire!). Obviously less money spent is nice, but I want to keep a long term outlook.
My number one issue in the shop right now is getting rough lumber to S4. For background I picked up a cheap 3/4 HP Enco 6" jointer this summer but haven't gotten to use it (3 weeks till 240V for my DC). I have no planer and no space so anything would have to be rolled out for use.
Planer Options
Option 1) I have been offered by a good friend of my inlaws first rights to a large 1980s Craftsman planer for probably $100-$200. It is in pristine condition, is large (couple hundred pounds), takes 240V, it looks a lot like this one (http://www.owwm.com/photoindex/detail.aspx?id=5800) . The low price is 'cause he just wants to get a little something for it, he has already given me over 100 BF of maple/walnut/cherry for free.
Option 2) Pickup a used or new lunchbox planer. A new one would cost from $300 up to $600 for a DW735. Been trolling CL and your standard 12" or 13" delta/rigids range from $100-$300 based on condition. Obviously lunchbox would take up a lot less space but I worry about the condition of getting a used one.
So the tradeoff here is size & cost. Option one is cheaper and I would wager in much better condition than any used lunchbox and potentially some of the cheap new ones. The cost difference would impact what I do for below...
Jointer
This is my bigger struggle because I've been browsing the Grizzly lineup. I have the Enco 6" which I could probably sell for $100-$200 and then invest a little more for a brand new unit. Any jointer would have to be rolled into position to use and I have 78" between the wall and the light switch/outlet next to the garage door (I'm rewiring so can move this up giving me 90" to the garage door). I also want to make the best tradeoff for future proofing.
Here is a list of all jointers that fall under my consideration. The price is assuming Grizzly will list any model from their website on ebay at current sale price and I can apply 25% MS cashback and 10% ebay coupon. If it doesn't have a stand I'd have to buy/build one adding $20 to $60.
G0654 (http://www.grizzly.com/products/6-x-46-Jointer/G0654) - 6" x 46" ($290)
G0452 (http://www.grizzly.com/products/6-Jointer/G0452) - 6" x 46" ($310)
G0604 (http://www.grizzly.com/products/6-x-56-Parallelogram-Bed-Jointer-w-4-Knife-Cutterhead/G0604)- 6" x 56" Parrallelogram ($405)
G0452Z (http://www.grizzly.com/products/6-X-46-Jointer-w-Spiral-Cutterhead/G0452Z) - 6" x 46" w/ Spiral Cutterhead ($450)
G0604 (http://www.grizzly.com/products/6-Parallelogram-Jointer/G0604X)X - 6" x 56" Parallelogram, larger motor ($470)
G0586 (http://www.grizzly.com/products/8-Jointer-w-2-HP-Motor/G0586)- 8" x 75" no mobile stand ($560)
G0604ZX (http://www.grizzly.com/products/6-Jointer-1-1-2HP-w-Spiral-Cutterhead/G0604ZX) - 6" x 55" w/ Spiral Cutterhead ($610)
G0490 (http://www.grizzly.com/products/8-Jointer-with-Parallelogram-Beds/G0490)- 8" x 76" Parrallelogram ($650)
G0593 (http://www.grizzly.com/products/8-Jointer-w-Spiral-Cutterhead/G0593)- 8" x 75" w/Spiral Cutterhead, no mobile stand ($840)
G0490X (http://www.grizzly.com/products/8-Jointer-w-Spiral-Cutterhead/G0490X)- 8" 76" w/Spiral Cutterhead ($920)
I've seen some good reviews on the 12" jointer/planer combos (Jet/Grizzly), but $2K is a ways off and that is without adding a spiral head. And if it breaks, both tools are out of comission. For reference I'm an all around woodworker; mostly furniture/cabinetry but I want to get into the delicate work like boxes.
So I really have 3 options:
Option 1) Sell my jointer, do not buy a planer, buy only S4 (find someone to handle my current piles), and save up for a 12" combo machine in a few years.
Option 2) Keep my jointer, buy a planer, and wait even longer for a 12" combo machine. I'd just have to live with the results and spend more time in maintenance.
Option 3) Buy one of the Grizzly jointers (which one and why? and what planer to accompany it?)
Obviously any money spent here is less money elsewhere. My next issue is my Delta 12" BS to run right (hoping some Suffolk blades and a V-belt will fix that, but still not enough horse to resaw much). I have a good TS/DC/router/shaper, but have no sanding stations/drill press and am thin on handtools/clamps/router bits.
So please look at my options and give me your honest feedback! My feelings won't get hurt, if you think I'm being too picky and chasing after a new shiny thing, tell me! :p
Thanks everyone!
-Scott
My number one issue in the shop right now is getting rough lumber to S4. For background I picked up a cheap 3/4 HP Enco 6" jointer this summer but haven't gotten to use it (3 weeks till 240V for my DC). I have no planer and no space so anything would have to be rolled out for use.
Planer Options
Option 1) I have been offered by a good friend of my inlaws first rights to a large 1980s Craftsman planer for probably $100-$200. It is in pristine condition, is large (couple hundred pounds), takes 240V, it looks a lot like this one (http://www.owwm.com/photoindex/detail.aspx?id=5800) . The low price is 'cause he just wants to get a little something for it, he has already given me over 100 BF of maple/walnut/cherry for free.
Option 2) Pickup a used or new lunchbox planer. A new one would cost from $300 up to $600 for a DW735. Been trolling CL and your standard 12" or 13" delta/rigids range from $100-$300 based on condition. Obviously lunchbox would take up a lot less space but I worry about the condition of getting a used one.
So the tradeoff here is size & cost. Option one is cheaper and I would wager in much better condition than any used lunchbox and potentially some of the cheap new ones. The cost difference would impact what I do for below...
Jointer
This is my bigger struggle because I've been browsing the Grizzly lineup. I have the Enco 6" which I could probably sell for $100-$200 and then invest a little more for a brand new unit. Any jointer would have to be rolled into position to use and I have 78" between the wall and the light switch/outlet next to the garage door (I'm rewiring so can move this up giving me 90" to the garage door). I also want to make the best tradeoff for future proofing.
Here is a list of all jointers that fall under my consideration. The price is assuming Grizzly will list any model from their website on ebay at current sale price and I can apply 25% MS cashback and 10% ebay coupon. If it doesn't have a stand I'd have to buy/build one adding $20 to $60.
G0654 (http://www.grizzly.com/products/6-x-46-Jointer/G0654) - 6" x 46" ($290)
G0452 (http://www.grizzly.com/products/6-Jointer/G0452) - 6" x 46" ($310)
G0604 (http://www.grizzly.com/products/6-x-56-Parallelogram-Bed-Jointer-w-4-Knife-Cutterhead/G0604)- 6" x 56" Parrallelogram ($405)
G0452Z (http://www.grizzly.com/products/6-X-46-Jointer-w-Spiral-Cutterhead/G0452Z) - 6" x 46" w/ Spiral Cutterhead ($450)
G0604 (http://www.grizzly.com/products/6-Parallelogram-Jointer/G0604X)X - 6" x 56" Parallelogram, larger motor ($470)
G0586 (http://www.grizzly.com/products/8-Jointer-w-2-HP-Motor/G0586)- 8" x 75" no mobile stand ($560)
G0604ZX (http://www.grizzly.com/products/6-Jointer-1-1-2HP-w-Spiral-Cutterhead/G0604ZX) - 6" x 55" w/ Spiral Cutterhead ($610)
G0490 (http://www.grizzly.com/products/8-Jointer-with-Parallelogram-Beds/G0490)- 8" x 76" Parrallelogram ($650)
G0593 (http://www.grizzly.com/products/8-Jointer-w-Spiral-Cutterhead/G0593)- 8" x 75" w/Spiral Cutterhead, no mobile stand ($840)
G0490X (http://www.grizzly.com/products/8-Jointer-w-Spiral-Cutterhead/G0490X)- 8" 76" w/Spiral Cutterhead ($920)
I've seen some good reviews on the 12" jointer/planer combos (Jet/Grizzly), but $2K is a ways off and that is without adding a spiral head. And if it breaks, both tools are out of comission. For reference I'm an all around woodworker; mostly furniture/cabinetry but I want to get into the delicate work like boxes.
So I really have 3 options:
Option 1) Sell my jointer, do not buy a planer, buy only S4 (find someone to handle my current piles), and save up for a 12" combo machine in a few years.
Option 2) Keep my jointer, buy a planer, and wait even longer for a 12" combo machine. I'd just have to live with the results and spend more time in maintenance.
Option 3) Buy one of the Grizzly jointers (which one and why? and what planer to accompany it?)
Obviously any money spent here is less money elsewhere. My next issue is my Delta 12" BS to run right (hoping some Suffolk blades and a V-belt will fix that, but still not enough horse to resaw much). I have a good TS/DC/router/shaper, but have no sanding stations/drill press and am thin on handtools/clamps/router bits.
So please look at my options and give me your honest feedback! My feelings won't get hurt, if you think I'm being too picky and chasing after a new shiny thing, tell me! :p
Thanks everyone!
-Scott