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Leo Graywacz
08-09-2008, 8:48 PM
For years I have owned and used a W&H molder. As I have acquired more cutters, they have become larger and more complex. With the larger cutters there is more chatter, [not mill marks]. I have come to realize the problem. It is so simple that I have overlooked it for years.


It is an open ended machine. It has support only on one side of the machine, the other is only supported by the strength of the castings and vertical rails. By using the larger cutters I have started to overwhelm the machine.


I got the electronic variable speed motor for the W&H and expected to get a very smooth finish while using it on a very slow feed. However, I still got a lot of chatter. For months now I couldn't figure out what it was, I tried to make the feed rollers exert more pressure by putting shims under the spring pads, this helped but not enough, still way to much sanding of large moldings. So as I was making a 5" cove crown a few days ago I decided to try something. I always do this molding in two passes. The first pass hogs 90% of the wood and the second pass I lower the unit 1/16". When I did this I also put a block between the feed motor and the table, I clamped it so that it would lock the open end and keep it stable. Well that little act made all the difference in the world. I went from a very chatter filled molding that required 10 minutes of intense sanding with 120 grit, to a relatively chatter free molding that I could sand with 150 grit in about 2 minutes without a lot of pressure. Made a difference in priming (Poplar, paint grade). The 1st coat of primer was pretty smooth and only required a quick, light sanding instead of the more aggressive sanding that I would usually have to do because of the use of 120 grit paper. So I let my secret out.

I hope someone else can give me a heads up after they try it and tell me what they think.

William OConnell
08-09-2008, 9:03 PM
What are the odds of posting a picture of that Setup? Most of the mouldings I do is large crowns and bases.
Thanks

Leo Graywacz
08-09-2008, 9:34 PM
I'll try to get a picture up. I don't have one of the setup, but when I get it I'll post it. Stay tuned.

Leo Graywacz
08-10-2008, 11:40 AM
OK, went into the shop to get some pictures and ended up making a newer version of the jig I had Gerry rigged. I thought about how to make an adjustable jig instead of sleeping :rolleyes:

Here is the original jig.

http://fototime.com/68F4B5AE5AF3A74/standard.jpg

http://fototime.com/63F7EEAE67A640F/standard.jpg

And here is the jig I made this morning.

http://fototime.com/E3FDCB7FBE9C501/orig.jpg
And here it is on the W&H

http://fototime.com/4287F7D8074311E/standard.jpg

I hope this gives you a hand. And please post your results either way, good or bad. This way we can learn from it and spread the knowledge.

Peter Quinn
08-10-2008, 6:32 PM
I don't use a W&H but i love that engineering and ingenuity! Very elegant solution.

Perry Holbrook
08-10-2008, 7:13 PM
Do you have the multi-pass kit installed on the W & H ?

Perry

Leo Graywacz
08-10-2008, 7:16 PM
Do you have the multi-pass kit installed on the W & H ?

Perry


No I don't, but I know how to make the modifications myself. That will be next on my list of things to do when I get time.

Look at post #4
http://www.woodweb.com/cgi-bin/forums/swmf.pl?read=576333