Ooops....

[Steve Rozmiarek]

Danged ebay. Thought I'd get outbid. Didn't really want a post war A5, but got one now!!!!

[Brian Hale]

You want my address???? ;)

Brian :)

[Steve Rozmiarek]

LOL! I think shipping is going to be something else, it's got to hop the pond... Might have to resell it to keep the LOML happy!

[Brian Hale]

I'm guessing $50-$80 shipping?

[Steve Rozmiarek]

Thats what I'm thinking too. I got a little Preston from the UK a couple years ago, and it was a bunch cheaper, but this no doubt weighs more. Interesting how much less it costs to get something shipped from Australia or New Zealand.

[Jason Beam]

Danged ebay. Thought I'd get outbid. Didn't really want a post war A5, but got one now!!!!



What kind of inverted anti-gloat is that?! :D

[Tim Leo]

Danged ebay. Thought I'd get outbid. Didn't really want a post war A5, but got one now!!!!

I've had that problem with ebay also. Suddenly things are coming to the house that I don't need.

[Pedder Petersen]

I'm guessing $50-$80 shipping?

The seller says 27.50 GBP so you're right. :rolleyes:

Cheers Pedder

[Gary Herrmann]

Well, look at it this way. It looks like its in really good shape.

[Stephen Jackson]

One has to wonder why you guys bid on something you don't want/need? There are other guys who might want/need something that you have "pushed" the price on, and therefore they drop out. IMO this sort of practice is what gives ebay a bad name!!!!

[Steve Rozmiarek]

One has to wonder why you guys bid on something you don't want/need? There are other guys who might want/need something that you have "pushed" the price on, and therefore they drop out. IMO this sort of practice is what gives ebay a bad name!!!!

IMHO, I got it for a bargain. I suppose that is what you are looking for as well. If we all got stuff for free off ebay, do you suppose anyone would continue to list? I'll bid what I consider to be a price I would like to pay, and if I get it, great. Turns out this time, I really expected this plane to go higher, and didn't expect to win it. I wanted an A5, preferably an earlier model, but this will do. IMO this practice is exactly what gets good tools listed on ebay.

[Steve Rozmiarek]

I've had that problem with ebay also. Suddenly things are coming to the house that I don't need.

Ever gotten a package and not really remembered which tool it probably is???:o

[Steve Rozmiarek]

What kind of inverted anti-gloat is that?! :D

Was kind of wierd wasn't it... Wait till it gets here, and I can try it out to see if it's gloat worthy.

[Stephen Jackson]

Danged ebay. Thought I'd get outbid. Didn't really want a post war A5, but got one now!!!!

So, if you didn't want this one, why bid on it? Didn't you know what you were bidding on? Why not wait for the one that you DO want?

It may be true that your "practice" encourages good tools to be listed, but doesn't it also encourage the listing of crap, because sellers are encouraged by the inflated prices to try to sell stuff that wouldn't get 50c in a flea market?

[Steve Rozmiarek]

So, if you didn't want this one, why bid on it? Didn't you know what you were bidding on? Why not wait for the one that you DO want?

It may be true that your "practice" encourages good tools to be listed, but doesn't it also encourage the listing of crap, because sellers are encouraged by the inflated prices to try to sell stuff that wouldn't get 50c in a flea market?

Obviously I wanted it, and I bid what I considered to be a bargain price to get it. I would have bid more on a pre-war though. Now that I own this one though, I'll probably have to raise the price on a few others. Hate to have infill smoother, but not a panel plane....

Stephen, with all do respect, are you suggesting that ebay operate in some other economic system than capitalism? Perhaps ebay should be socialistic? That way everyone would split the tools up! It'd be great:rolleyes:

Turns out that I have a certain amount of disposable income that I want to spend on my woodworking fettish. I earned that privelage through an exceptional amount of hard work, and a bit of luck. If I choose to spend money on this plane, or the Spiers that ended the next day, it is my perogative. Likewise, it is your right to bid against me, and set a true market price. If you don't like the system, guess you're out of luck, because looks to me like ebay is here to stay.

As for the listing of "crap", who cares? Don't bid on it! Crap listers get penalized by ebay when there junk dosen't sell, and they still have to pay the fees.

[Stephen Jackson]

Obviously I wanted it, and I bid what I considered to be a bargain price to get it. I would have bid more on a pre-war though. Now that I own this one though, I'll probably have to raise the price on a few others. Hate to have infill smoother, but not a panel plane....

Stephen, with all do respect, are you suggesting that ebay operate in some other economic system than capitalism? Perhaps ebay should be socialistic? That way everyone would split the tools up! It'd be great:rolleyes:

Turns out that I have a certain amount of disposable income that I want to spend on my woodworking fettish. I earned that privelage through an exceptional amount of hard work, and a bit of luck. If I choose to spend money on this plane, or the Spiers that ended the next day, it is my perogative. Likewise, it is your right to bid against me, and set a true market price. If you don't like the system, guess you're out of luck, because looks to me like ebay is here to stay.

As for the listing of "crap", who cares? Don't bid on it! Crap listers get penalized by ebay when there junk dosen't sell, and they still have to pay the fees.

What you do with your disposable is entirely up to you, it's none of my business.
Unfortunately, I don't have oodles of cash to spend on the tools I want/need, and so I have to get what I can, when I can. Ebay can be a good source for those tools, and I'm not suggesting for one minute that I should get something for free. I will bid what I consider, from my research, to be a fair and reasonable price which fits in with my budget.
I joined this forum (Neanders) to learn, from discussion and the experience of others, how to "get back" to the art of choosing, and using, handtools in practical woodworking. To me, a handtool should sit in a craftsman's hands, doing what it is supposed to, not be confined to a display case.
It's just a pity though that, IMHO, the collectors and dealers of the world are driving prices higher than necessary, while depriving others of ownership.
As I say, just my opinion. I know that nothing I say, or do, is going to change the situation.

[Billy Chambless]

Ever gotten a package and not really remembered which tool it probably is???:o

Once or twice in the past week. It's especially bad when there are two priority mail packages in the mailbox at the same time. Gotta admit, I've been on a buying spree just lately. My plane collection has tripled, and I have about a half gallon of chisels to refurbish.


But I don't have a problem, no sir! I can quit whenever I want!

[Steve Rozmiarek]

What you do with your disposable is entirely up to you, it's none of my business.
Unfortunately, I don't have oodles of cash to spend on the tools I want/need, and so I have to get what I can, when I can. Ebay can be a good source for those tools, and I'm not suggesting for one minute that I should get something for free. I will bid what I consider, from my research, to be a fair and reasonable price which fits in with my budget.
I joined this forum (Neanders) to learn, from discussion and the experience of others, how to "get back" to the art of choosing, and using, handtools in practical woodworking. To me, a handtool should sit in a craftsman's hands, doing what it is supposed to, not be confined to a display case.
It's just a pity though that, IMHO, the collectors and dealers of the world are driving prices higher than necessary, while depriving others of ownership.
As I say, just my opinion. I know that nothing I say, or do, is going to change the situation.

Guess we are probably going to have to agree to disagree. You don't like collectors, I do. I am a collector, and a user. They are not mutually exclusive. Collectors do however, provide a liquid market for old tools to come to, making them available to you, a user. If you think we drive up the prices, buy Lie-Nielsen. Oh, wait, they usually cost more! There are several exceptions, but if you think you NEED a #212, or a #162, you have a choice of seeking professional help, or buying Lee Valley.

By the way, I am sick and tired of being deprived ownership of that Monet I've always wanted. Damned collectors.

[Hank Knight]

Steve,

You'll love the plane. Mine makes nice paper-thin fluffies in maple - or anything else for that matter. It's a fun plane to use. Here it is smoothing my workbench top:

Hank

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f343/hankknight/DSC_0002Small.jpg

[Richard Niemiec]

. . . . . . I will bid what I consider, from my research, to be a fair and reasonable price which fits in with my budget. . . . . . .It's just a pity though that, IMHO, the collectors and dealers of the world are driving prices higher than necessary, while depriving others of ownership.
As I say, just my opinion. I know that nothing I say, or do, is going to change the situation.

Laudable sentiments, but reality intervenes. For the more common examples of hand tools, there are plenty of reasonably priced, but perhaps cosmetically flawed, "users" out there, and frankly the collectors are looking for one without such flaws. As far as the more exotic examples, I have basically given up and turned to Rob Lee and Tom Lie Nielsen, as their prices compare favorably with those on ebay; try and get a "good" condition Stanley #62 for $209, you can't, so Rob's LABU Jack is now in my shop. Same idea with the #98 and #99, so Tom's versions are now in my shop as well.

Markets go up and down....not that I wish this on anyone, but nobody gets off this planet alive, and eventually the collections of erstwhile "Collectors" will be liquidated and buying opportunities will present themselves. Perhaps not in my lifetime, but hey, one can only hope..... Then again, some Collectors are charter members of the "More Money Than Sense Club" and in the spirit of Elliot Spitzer (for y'all North of the border, the disgraced former governor of NY who got caught up in a $2,000/hr. callgirl scandal) their acquisitive lust will cause them to pay ever higher prices for the best examples. Then I can sell my nineteenth century #1 with the chipped mouth and cracked tote (but otherwise complete) for $1750!!!

In sympathy, RN

[Jim Koepke]

Ever gotten a package and not really remembered which tool it probably is???:o

I got a gouge and did not remember bididng on it. Took it out to the shop and cleaned it up, sharpened it and went to leave feedback. I could not find any record of me buying it.

So I looked into the things I had bought. One thing had not arrived, so I looked at the item, then the closed listings of the seller. Turns out, another person named Jim bought the gouge and recieved the item I had bid on. So we just mailed the items to each other and had a few laughs on line. The seller was embarassed and made good on the postage.

A similar thing happened with bids on a router plane. The seller had listed a Stanley and a Sargent at the same time and got confused on the fullfillment of his mailings. It all worked out.

But yes, things have arrived and I have had to ask myself, why the heck did I bid on this.

Having less of those these days.

jim

Be careful what you bid on, you just may win!

[Marcus Ward]

Wow, nice plane. Good snag, who cares if it's pre or post?

[Barry Vabeach]

Steve, it wasn't clear from your post - did you get the Spiers also? If so let me know what you think of it. I will certainly agree that I have more money than sense when it comes to some woodworking tools, and unfortunately, Lenpam has set the bar so high it is easy to keep hunting for infills knowing that even if I start buying them at one a week, I will never catch up to him. I have seen a lot of Spiers ( and bought 2) and nearly everyone has a handle that has been broken and then repaired. The first one I bought had the handle "repaired" so that when you pushed the plane forward it felt like putting the shifter into 1st gear, and when you brought the plane back it felt like shifting into second. Luckily, I was able to reglue it and the handle is firm and it is a great plane. The second one only had a slight ( though annoying ) looseness and to date has rebuffed all attempts at regluing and I got so desparate that knocked out the pin holding the handle in place - even though the handle still is loose, it won't come out. Obviously much more work ahead. The good news is that I don't think there is a similar looseness with a closed handle Norris, at least not with either that I have. Hope you enjoy your new plane. BTW, there is a lot of talk about prewar and postwar Norris - it is too bad there is no place that gives a good presentation on what is what ( with pictures ) because I have seen several obvious postwar planes being advertized as prewar Barry

[Steve Rozmiarek]

Thats funny Jim! Guess it'd be an easy goof to make. Nice to bet one of those items that is better than expected though.

[Steve Rozmiarek]

Hope so Marcus, I'll let you know how it works!

[Steve Rozmiarek]

Thanks Hank. Now I REALLY want it to get here!

[Steve Rozmiarek]

Hi Barry. No, the Spiers was plan B. However, I did bid on one today, which I will probably not get. Interesting, your experience with the totes. Is it a design flaw, or hard use and abuse?

Not really any good sights out there on these are there. I have an old Norris catalog repprint that helps ID them, but, it'd be nice to have an infill Patrick Leach.

[Barry Vabeach]

Steve, I think it is part design and part use. The open handle is obviously more fragile than the clased handle design. Both of the planes I own have a break at the base of the handle where it curves to go up and I have seen pictures of repairs to just that area in a number of planes. Good luck on your plan B.