Drumsanders down to 2 ??

[Al Willits]

OK, getting close to getting one and I've narrowed it down to two, there's were a few others like the Timesaver, but you know who advised me I can't physically afford the beatings that would come with spending that much money...so

First one is the Jet 22-44 from Rockler for about $1100
They also have a SuperMax 25" Pro drum sander on sale for $1500 with the extension tables and casters included.

Any opinions on the Supermax as compared to the Jet?
The Supermax has drum supports on both sides which would limit lumber to 25" but eliminate any flex, wondering if flex is a problem on the jet?

Also is there aftermarket/cheaper sandpaper for both of these?
I believe there is for the Jet, can't find any for the Super in a quick search.

The WAF (wife appreciation factor) is leaning towards the 16-32 Jet, but I think maybe if I plead a lot I'll get the ok on the 22-44, but if there's a good reason to get the Super I might just go for it.

If flexing isn't a concern, I think the Jet might be the better buy...I think. :)

TIA

Al

[Don Abele]

Al, I just ordered the 22-44 with the closed stand and extension tables. Should be delivered on Friday. I also ordered the Jet name brand paper which was WAY expensive :eek: Hopefully someone can suggest a cheaper alternative.

In my research, I didn't find anyone who complained of flex with the 22-44, especially with the sandsmart technology. The biggest bit of information I gleaned from everyone - take VERY small passes - It's a sander, not a planer! I guess that's where a lot of people get flex, when they try to plane with it.

Good luck with your decision. I can't wait to get mine and use if for our upcoming kitchen remodel.

Be well,

Doc

[Bruce Page]

Al, keep your eyes open for a good used Woodmaster. There's no comparison between my old Delta DS & my 2675. I think the same could be said for the other hobbyists drum sanders too. JMO

[Al Willits]

I've been looking for a 26" Woodmaster, anything larger won't work for me, and there just isn't any to be had, they have their 26" on sake now but even at only 2k, its to much money for what I'll be using it for.

I'm leaning towards the Jet, Like Don, I can't find any mention of flex when used properly, and its priced in a range I can justify.

Just don't want to spend that much and find for a few hundred more I could have gotten much more.

Al

[Mike Heidrick]

I would suggest being patient and watching craigslist and the forum for sale sections for used machines. I bought an older 22/44 ST (3 legged version of the 4 legged 22/44 Pro model) that had been upgraded to 3HP and the hood upgraded to 4" for DC -paid $425. Had to drive to chicago to get it but well worth it. Also found a 25 hour used G1066Z double drum for $900. There is a huge quality increase in the 1066Z vs the 22/44. The conveyor belt on the Griz is SWEET vs the sandpaper belt on the 22/44. Adjustability is much nicer on the Griz. Keeping the 22/44 for times I need more than 24".

Make sure you have good DC no matter which model sander you choose!!!

If you could ever find a widebelt though, they are the cats meow. The guy I bought the Griz from upgraded to a 37" Timesaver Speedsaver. All I can say is WOW!

As far as paper, I bought some 22/44 rolls from ebay and they work very well. Keep the paper clean.

[John Bush]

Al,
I have the Shop Pro 25" closed end DS that is the same model as the
SuperMax. I had the PerforMax 16-32 before and liked it but the 25"er has much more power. I added the SandSmart system and now I can just "set and forget it". The amp load on the drum motor controls the belt speed and motor overload is not a worry. I'm very pleased with it and do recommend it, and that price sounds good as well. I did see a Steel City dual drum sander, I think, at Woodcrafters and it looked like a good machine as well. Don't recall the price but looked like a fair deal. I have been buying large rolls of paper at the best price I can find, but I have the best performance from Klingspor. Also, If you go finer than 150 grit you will find the paper clogs and burns more quickly and it takes more passes at a reduced "bite". Good nluck, John.

[keith ouellette]

I have the 16/32 performax and once you learn the tricks to setting it up t works pretty sweet. I don't have one but a good table extension off to the side for when you sand something wide would help. The few things I have done at thirty inches I supported with my hand but they weren't very long. Having the drum set up between 1/64 and 1/32 at the outer end makes sanding wide pieces easier (I think that is in the manual).
In case you get one: how I set the drum
I found if you joint and plane a piece of wood two or so inches high you can use that as a reference point to the drum so you can get a gage under the drum. Just make sure the belt is not holding the wood block reference piece up in the air. When you tighten the bolts down do them slow. Each a little at a time and check the drum as you tighten the bolts. My drum will move if I am not careful at this point.

[keith ouellette]

I almost forgot. I wish i had the 22/44. i am planning to do some wide doors and would like the extra width.

[Steve Kohn]

Not to hijack this thread but has anyone seen the Steel City 15/30 widebelt? It is listed for $2K and seems to be a contender for this application.

[Gary Muto]

I just bought the open stand model at Rockler for $900 + tax in November, which made it about $100 more than the 16-32". It was hard to justify the sander purchase, but easy to justify the additional $100.
Now that I have it, I'm sorry I waited so long. Dust free, flat smooth sanding. Assembly and set up went very easily. Changing sandpaper likewise is simple.:cool:
My only complaint is that I think the extension tables should be included with the sander or at least not $90 a set.:rolleyes:

Rockler also has the 22-44" Perfromax Pro for about $1500, but I could not justify the higher price personally.

[Jesse Cloud]

I second the idea about watching craigslist. Its sad to say, but lots of pro woodworkers are in deep trouble these days. With the economy what it is and increased foreign competition, many woodshops are scaling back or going out of business. I picked up a drum sander for about half of retail, same with a vacuum press.

[nic obie]

Did somebody ask about where to get quality sandpaper rolls?

These guys are great. I now buy all my abrasives from them.

http://www.supergrit.com/products/products_rolldrumsleeve-cloth.asp

[keith ouellette]

Did somebody ask about where to get quality sandpaper rolls?

These guys are great. I now buy all my abrasives from them.

http://www.supergrit.com/products/products_rolldrumsleeve-cloth.asp

I didn't ask but i am glad you answered. Thanx for the tip.

[Chris Padilla]

Perhaps those of you DS-savvy folks could list some good DS to search for on Craigslist. There have been several good ones mentions...curious if there are anymore?

[Al Willits]

Only one I seen locally was a Performax 22-44 plus used for $1100

I see them new for that price......but I keep looking..:D

Al

[Jim Becker]

Al, I have the 22-44 Plus (Performax label) which is likely equivalent to the Jet 22-44...but I haven't seen one since they switched the name. I'm pleased with it, but don't use it a lot. One thing I would do differently is to make my own infeed and outfeed tables so that they could be folded up for better space utiliztion when the tool is not in use.

[John Bush]

Hi again Al
I just visited the local Woodcrafters and checked out the Steel City dual drum sander. It looks like a solid machine and was priced at $1895. Getting up there in cost per your earlier posts. I have seen several PerforMax models on CL, so I second, or third, or fourth the suggestion of being patient and act quickly when you see one you like.

[Al Willits]

Thanks Jim, in my case space is at a premium so either foldable or easily removable ones would be nice, good tip.

The 22-44 unit is prob what I'll go with, not much for used out there, but I'll keep looking, just bought the wife her X-mas gift so financially I'm still a little bit away....

Al

[Jim Becker]

Unless they have changed things, the OEM infeed/outfeed tables are not easily removable due to the alignment proceedures as well as "inconvenient" fastener placement for adult hands.

[Gary Muto]

Unless they have changed things, the OEM infeed/outfeed tables are not easily removable due to the alignment proceedures as well as "inconvenient" fastener placement for adult hands.
The tables are still a PITA to mount to the sander, so I decided to sacrifice the storage space.
As for waiting, I waited the better part fo a year and anthing that came up was either close to retail or to far away such that the shipping or fuel to get it made it no better than buying new. If you wait for a deal, plan on being very patient.

[Al Willits]

Ya, finding used can be eradic, usualy the best deals show up 15 minutes after you unload the new one you bought...been there done that...:D

Not sure if the 22-44 ever goes on sale, but unless something else comes up between now and actually buying one, that's what I'll go with.
$2k machines would be nice but I'm a weekend warrior and if it takes a couple times though or just longer, no big deal.

Al

[Stan Mijal]

Went to the local Rockler store last week. They have the Performax 16-32 with stand on sale for $699 plus a $25 gift card rebate.

THis is much smaller than the ones everyone is discussing, but just thought I'd throw it out there...

[Gary Sostrin]

Where did you see the supermax pro for $1500.

Gary

[Al Willits]

Wife seened the little performax and her eyes lit up...if all went down hill, that might be a nice unit, but I REALLY like the 22" version.

Gary, local rockler has it, demo unit.

Al

[Gary Muto]

Where did you see the supermax pro for $1500.

Gary
Rockler has the 22-44" Performax Pro. I don't know if it's teh same as the Supermax. It's an open end sander with a tubular frame and a trussed drume support. It's been on sale for close to a month. Check it out.
http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=17145&filter=drum%20sander
Like I said in thread #10 above, I could not see a reason to spend another $600 over the 22-44" Plus.