Fein vs Festool filter design

[Raymond Stanley]

Hi All,

So I'm looking for a shop vac for gathering up plane shavings and dust from hand sawing.

I've done the search here and gotten a pretty good feel for the quality of the festool and fein designs...but I'm still undecided between the turbo III and the CT 22.

I was about to go for the Fein, but am having second thoughts, due to the "better" filter design of the Festool. Specifically, the overhead filter that doesn't dip down into the storage bin, and the filter shaker that allows cleaning of the filter.

Does anybody notice filter-plugging issues with the Fein, due to the classic barrel filter design? I guess I could add a cyclone, but even then a filter shaker may help.

The only advantage of the Fein is the Ridgid/Craftsman accessory compatability and the extra 1/4" available hose (Fein comes with a 2and1/4" hose, whereas Festool only makes up to 2").

Thanks!
Ray

[James Phillips]

For 'vaccuum' purposes I would get a Shop Vac or Rigid. I hvae the CT22 and love it, but it is a dust collector, not a vaccuum. For your application I do not think you would get the benefit from the high $$ vacs.

Just my $0.02

[Raymond Stanley]

I can see your point James. I guess I just wanted to stick with the quietest models, because I live in apartment-style living and work at night sometimes with light-sleeping wife in the house. I also like these models because of their soft exhaust that doesn't spray dust everywhere.

[James Phillips]

I am not speaking from experience, but I hear the new rigid is quieter than fien or festool. May be worth a look

[Peter Pedisich]

Raymond,

Hi.
I have never used the filter shaker feature on my CT22, the filters dont seem to get dirty.
Also, the stock hose on the Festool is smallish and will probably clog often with plane shavings. If you go with the Festool you may want the 36mm hose which is not inexpensive, so you should ask Festool if they would substitute the 36 for the stock 27mm hose.
The Festool anti static feature really does work.
Keep in mind the capacity of the turbo III is much greater than the CT22.
The Rigid SNR will most likely be my next all-around shop vac due to it's all-around goodness at a very fair price, and it's made in Canada. I've had great luck with tools made in Canada, those folks know what they're doin'.

Good luck,

Pete

[Mike Cutler]

Raymond.

I've owned a Fein Turbo III for a few years now. It is primarily used with routers, and general shop cleanup. It is also used in the house, excellent vacums. I have never experienced filter plugging with it.

Rigid must have done something pretty spectacular with this new line of vac's they have out. I also own a Rigid wet/dry vac, but that thing is so loud it's painful. I wear earplugs and Mickey Mouse ears when I use it. It's also not as powerful as the Fein.

[Gary Curtis]

The Turbo II Fein I own has a 1.5 inch hose instead of the larger version on the Turbo III. Even on this smaller unit, the suction is phenomenal. I got the 1 micron filter accessory.

I have had the same bag on the unit for one year, and my wife uses it to clean our house as well as serving light duty in the shop. ( I do have a Dust Collection system (1.5 hp). So the shop vac is attached only one machine - the router table. The micron filter is suspended down into the cavity downwind from the bag and only needs a blast of compressed air once every 90 days or so.

I would guess you won't be dissapointed with the power or filter/bag capacity on the Turbo III.

Gary Curtis

[Mark Carlson]

Raymond,

I have a CT22. I use it with all my festools (sanders, router, saw, and domi). I also use it to clean the shop, and it also connects to the blade guard on my tablesaw. It also hooks to the locline on the drill press. Because you mentioned a cyclone I included a picture of my new Clearvue CV06 mini cyclone attached to the CT22. I hooked it up today so I cant commit yet on its performance. The CT22 works really well and the CV06 is really overkill but I couldn't help myself. As you can see the cyclone sets on the top and is bungee corded to the white handle so I can still move the whole thing around when needed. Looks kinda funny though.

~mark

[Raymond Stanley]

Thanks for all the recommendations guys. It was still a tough choice but I went with the Fein vac with HEPA filter and bags, for the lack of reported problems with plugging, the bigger hose (2 vs 2and1/4"), larger capacity, and cheaper price (don't have to buy a separate 2" hose).
-Ray

[Jim Bell]

I have the torbo III and it simply works. I use the bags and the hepa filter. I'm in the process of remodeling my home and what goes in the vac stays in the vac and is hands down the quietest vac I have ever used.

[Scott Brihn]

Raymond,

You will enjoy the Fein Turbo III. I have the Turbo II and CT22 and prefer the Fein. The Fein is quieter and comes with a longer, more user friendly hose.

[Tim Malyszko]

Looks kinda funny though.

It kind of looks like an R2D2 protype.:D

Let us know how it works out because I like the concept.

[Raymond Stanley]

Even though I've made my decision and anxiously wait the vac's arrival, I have a few points for those who may stumble upon this thread in a search at a later date:

If I had any plans to invest in a Festool tool system in the future, I definately would have gone with the Festool.

Also, it is good to note that you can fit any vac with a variable-suction controller that is just a thing that hooks onto the hose and opens and closes a window to let air leak out. Not quite as cool as the electronic control on the festool, but would prevent the vacuum table effect on power sanders issue, when there is too much suction for effective sanding.

-Ray

[Henry Cavanaugh]

Raymond I am torn between purchasing a Turbo 111 and CT22 and thanks to Peter I will look at the Rigid. I now now a 1.5 DC and thanks to a new remote contoller can keep it off more. I also have a loud 16 gal 6.5hp Shop vac. I would love to here you expand on your statement "If I had any plans to invest in a Festool tool system in the future, I definately would have gone with the Festool" I do plan to buy a Dominio some day. I now use a Bosch ROS with its dust canister which doesnt work great. I plan on switching it to a shop vac so noise level would be a factor. Unless I can convince myself the Festool sander will collect dust better than my Bosch why switch.

[Raymond Stanley]

Henry,
Keep in mind i'm not a festool expert - my only exposure to information about them has been in my search on vacuums.
What I have gathered from my searches is that festool is ground-up designed for good dust collection. As I understand it (again, no personal experience), this "systems approach" design makes it for outstanding dust collection. As part of the "systems" approach, the tools work best with their vacuum. Examples of this include that the hoses link up appropriately, and for the sanders, the suction can be adjusted appropriately. I think you may have to buy a festool hose if you use a festool tool. I would just hate to spend over $300 on a vacuum only to buy a festool tool later and know I was close to the purchase price of a festool vacuum. But then again, maybe I'd like to keep a more traditional vacuum device like the fein and keep a festool as a true dust collection device for portable power tools.
If you do a search on "festool" in the subject line of threads, you'll find all kinds of info on "is it worth the money," etc.
Hope this helps.
-Ray

[Mike Cutler]

Raymond.

I wouldn't really concern myself with buyers remorse, should you buy a Festool product down the line. There are multitudes of vacuum adapter attachments that can change hose sizes between brands, and when all else fails there's duct tape.;)

Congrat's on the Fein. It's a quality product that will serve you for years to come. Be careful about using it in the house, or you may lose it. It's a better vac than anything on the floor at Sears.;)

Your Fein comes with an eduction port at the handle, so you can vary the suction.

[Gary Curtis]

Owning a Fein presented a problem to me when I bought a few Festool Tools. Or, so I thought. Then I was told that if a person buys a Festool hose it will plug right into the Fein Turbo I, II & III vacuums.

I bought the cheaper Festool hose (the grey one) since the antistatic hose (green) wouldn't make a difference on the Fein shop vac. So, you have not painted yourself into a corner with your decision.

Gary Curtis

[Raymond Stanley]

Cool-good to know it will work. I'll probably...well, maybe...will never get a set of festool tools, but it is good to know that this vac won't limit me.
I've heard of the SWMBO vacuum-snatcher phenomenon. I've already got it coming. I was hard pressed to convince her I should spend this amount of money on a vacuum, so now I am at her mercy. I talked tales of HEPA filtration, soft diffusion exhaust and miracle quietness that would encourage me to keep it on all the time to pick stuff up as I make it rather than at the end of days in a row of working, etc. Plus my dog goes insane with the household blazing dirt devil vacuum. Can't wait to see what the dog thinks when I put my respirator on for the first time :eek:
Maybe I should only buy vac attachments that are good for wood and not for hard floors...or maybe I should buy a hard floor vac attachment kit and because she's so darn patient with me. :)

[Greg Funk]

I now use a Bosch ROS with its dust canister which doesnt work great. I plan on switching it to a shop vac so noise level would be a factor. Unless I can convince myself the Festool sander will collect dust better than my Bosch why switch.
Henry,

Once you hook up the Bosch ROS to a shop vac you shouldn't have any problems with dust. I don't think the Festool sanders are any better in dust collection although they may have less vibration.

Greg