Robert Trotter
06-27-2007, 11:27 AM
Hi folks,
I Just want to get an idea about what teeth setup and saw length etc. to use for cutting tennons and small joints etc. I am going to get some small back saws for small joinery tasks (fine detail work) and I need to decide on saw set ups.
An example of one project I want to do is on the design forum http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?t=58462
I was thinking of a pair of carcus saws; one cross cut and one rip saw. However, I am now thinking that three saws would be a useful (complete) set. A cross cut and two rip saws. One rip with fine teeth and one with coarser teeth for deeper cuts. BUt I am unsure if this is necessary. Ex. up to what size cut is a 16ppi saw useful for?
I figure that the one cross cut saw with fine teeth would be adequate for most of the cross cut situations for small joinery.:confused:
I am pretty handy with my hands and am used to getting things done with what is available. (As are many people, I am sure.) That is, I can get by with what I have. (It is a part of woodworking) So to keep things focussed let's look at the "best saw set up for the job".
While this is for my own benefit, I think that the info would be valuable for beginning woodworkers or for those who want to go neandre, so your wisdom would be helpful to all.
As an example, if you were cutting tennons, what back saw would you use? Number of teeth, useable saw blade length, useable blade depth etc.?
I want the saws for hardwoods. Will the type of hardwood change the saw setup much for the same joint? say walnut, ash and ipe or teak for examples. If so what will change and what are the recomendations?
Here are a few kinds of small tennons as examples to consider.
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For each of the three tennons shown (A,B,C) would the teeth set up change? How about any joints smaller than "C"? (like for boxes and dovetails)
And just to add to the confusion, here are two generic tennons.
66992
The blue one being rather wide but not deep and the green one being not as wide but deeper. Does the saw configuration change and how?
Saw buying OPTIONS:-
1. get two saws. One rip and one x-cut.
2. get three saws. Two rip and one x-cut.
What do you think?
And one last question - does the length of the saw effect cutting dovetails? For example most dovetail saws seem to be about 8" or so useable blade length. Would using a 16 ppi 12" saw become dificult to use? Why the short length?
OK that's about it.
Looking forward to reading.
Robert.
I Just want to get an idea about what teeth setup and saw length etc. to use for cutting tennons and small joints etc. I am going to get some small back saws for small joinery tasks (fine detail work) and I need to decide on saw set ups.
An example of one project I want to do is on the design forum http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?t=58462
I was thinking of a pair of carcus saws; one cross cut and one rip saw. However, I am now thinking that three saws would be a useful (complete) set. A cross cut and two rip saws. One rip with fine teeth and one with coarser teeth for deeper cuts. BUt I am unsure if this is necessary. Ex. up to what size cut is a 16ppi saw useful for?
I figure that the one cross cut saw with fine teeth would be adequate for most of the cross cut situations for small joinery.:confused:
I am pretty handy with my hands and am used to getting things done with what is available. (As are many people, I am sure.) That is, I can get by with what I have. (It is a part of woodworking) So to keep things focussed let's look at the "best saw set up for the job".
While this is for my own benefit, I think that the info would be valuable for beginning woodworkers or for those who want to go neandre, so your wisdom would be helpful to all.
As an example, if you were cutting tennons, what back saw would you use? Number of teeth, useable saw blade length, useable blade depth etc.?
I want the saws for hardwoods. Will the type of hardwood change the saw setup much for the same joint? say walnut, ash and ipe or teak for examples. If so what will change and what are the recomendations?
Here are a few kinds of small tennons as examples to consider.
66991
For each of the three tennons shown (A,B,C) would the teeth set up change? How about any joints smaller than "C"? (like for boxes and dovetails)
And just to add to the confusion, here are two generic tennons.
66992
The blue one being rather wide but not deep and the green one being not as wide but deeper. Does the saw configuration change and how?
Saw buying OPTIONS:-
1. get two saws. One rip and one x-cut.
2. get three saws. Two rip and one x-cut.
What do you think?
And one last question - does the length of the saw effect cutting dovetails? For example most dovetail saws seem to be about 8" or so useable blade length. Would using a 16 ppi 12" saw become dificult to use? Why the short length?
OK that's about it.
Looking forward to reading.
Robert.